Depth Chart/Position Grades

[prodigy]

If you want to talk draft let's revisit Darrius Heyward-Bey. He's been to what, two Pro-Bowls now? Three?

He only has like 2 or 3 catches lol.

[T-Smooth]

What an idiot this guy is

[ReBirthofNumber81]

LOL what are you guys talking about? Darrius Heyward Bey?First off Dude this thread is in the BROWNS forum and is about your Roster prior to the season. It has NOTHING to do with any comparisons of two teams. Second off i was just stating how i was correct about how Eric Wright was NOT a good corner in the NFL. I was absolutley ridiculed up and down in this thread about making that statement. So now that i'm right you bring up a WR on Oakland? WTF does that have to do with anything? Or how about how I was also trashed about Jake being a TERRIBLE QB. I told you guys he would suck and you guys told me he would be an upgrade and it was jsut "a bad year last year". So instead of being like " ya dude you were right" you say, well colt is better than Jason Campbell. Again completely irrelevant and oblivious to what we were talking about.

Whats the point of a thread where you judge and predict depth chart success if when your right , they just starting comparing guys on each others teams? lol

PS... Hillis is a beat, but Mcfadden is wayy better so just shut up

Mcfadden - . 993 yds on only 193 carries (5.2) - 7 TDs - 3 Fumbles

Hillis - 1070 yds on 238 carries (4.5) - 11 TDS - 8 Fumbles

THIS ALL WITH DMAC HAVING 2 LESS GAMES PLAYED THAN HILLIS!!!

WIth these states hillis has a WHOLE 77 totals yds more but has been given the ball 45 TIMES MORE!!! and he has turned it over ALMOST TRIPLE! Last of all Mcfadden splits time with Micheal bush and has these stats. U have a one man backfield and he BARELY has more yds!

and you talkin about Heyward Bey? he has MORE yds than ROBISKE!!! and only 100 less yds than massaquio! So keep talkin u look dumb. My leading reciever is LOUIS MURPHY with almost 600 total yds. Which if you take BOTH UR STARTING RECIEVERS and combined them are still losing by over 100 yds to him total. So um sorry my starters are almost doubling your starting recievers production. Keep talkin, as of TODAY , were in the playoff hunt...

[prodigy]

I forgot McFadden was still in the league until this year lol. Hillis takes a beating game in and game out. I think he will be better when the Browns can get another RB to split some time. also would help if Cleveland could throw the ball.

Eric Wright was very good last season. So its not like anyone was crazy for thinking wright was gonna get better. for real.

[TheSnowman]

Yeah man. You're obviously the football god, an oracle. Correct about everything. Go get on ESPN, take Mark Schlereth's job, I don't like watching him anyway.

[ReBirthofNumber81]

I was just saying i got laughed at for my opinion and it was right and i thought that was cool. lol . But honestly i agree, hillis is a beast and could use a second guy to relieve him once in a while. I swear Harrison was PERFECT for that? at least better than bell? What do you guys think? I know Hardesty is supposed to be raw talent but is SUPER injury prone...

[TheSnowman]

Everyone was waiting for Harrison to break out, he was a backup with potential for years. But he was playing terribly for us this season for whatever reason he was just ineffective.

[krazylegz]

raider fan....browns fans....niner fan (me)...lets just all be friends...none of our teams are going to the post season...sadly

[TheSnowman]

It's actually yours I'm most surprised at..like many others I was expecting much more from the Niners

[11tg635]

I was just saying i got laughed at for my opinion and it was right and i thought that was cool. lol . But honestly i agree, hillis is a beast and could use a second guy to relieve him once in a while. I swear Harrison was PERFECT for that? at least better than bell? What do you guys think? I know Hardesty is supposed to be raw talent but is SUPER injury prone...

Ha you said Delhome wouldnt be an upgrade on what we had Delhome > DA O btw im actually glad we got Delhomme he has been a great leader and role model for Colt Mccoy.

Eric Wright had a good season a year ago very solid for us but he has struggled he could actually be a decent corner if he gets his confidence back. Back to the ratings how would you rate us now?

[ctwn4life]

Originally Posted by ReBirthofNumber81
Yes i'm a Raider fan but i LIVE in cleveland ohio and watch all the browns games. My opinions...


QBs- D+.... How do you get off saying Delhomme (lead NFL in picks) and a rookie who had never played before is even average? I'd say the browns probably belong in the top 5 worst QBs in the league. Try to think of 5 teams who have worse options AT THIS POINT?

FBs - A - ....Great blocking backs no doubt. Top 5 in the league with FBS no doubt

RBs- B .... Solid B as you have alot of POTENTIAL and youth at the position. We'll see what it translats to on the field

WR - D ..... You dont have a number one period. Cribbs on any other team would not even start. He is a glorified wildcat specialist/returner. he ISN'T a true reciever. he averages like 300 yds a season and plays every down. OUCH! GREAT GREAT player tho just not WR. Massoqui(Sp) has potential and brings u up from an F to a D. Robiske is like a ghost. Stuckey is lame. Again top 5 worst core in the league

TE- C+ .....Watson is solid but up there in age. Check the AFC West they have some INSANE tight ends. you guys are average

OL - A - ... I must admit i'm VERY jealous of your YOUNG, STRONG, GREAT O LINE. Easily a top 10 BEST in the league. GREAT LINE

DL - B ..... Rogers is a FORCE. You guys dont have much depth tho besides him. I mean EVERYONE has a bunch of players on their teams taht could b something but nothing concrete here.

LBS - B-... Soliid here too, You will miss the pass rush of Wimbley. but barton and dqwell and pretty good. You guys got fujita too right? solid

CBs - C ... i'll probably get chewed out for this but i dont think they are much better than average. Haden is a ROOKIE and slow, maybe he will amount to somethin so i'm not judging him yet. Eric Wright a top ten CB? WOW lemme have what ur smoking. He is a solid 2nd CB in this league AT BEST. He's played number one the lst two yrs and gets eaten alive ALOT. Sheldon brown is old and is a solid number 2 also in this league. Honestly he is decent. B mcdonald had a HORRIBLE season last year. Francis is a dime man at best.

Safety - D+... in comparison to the league your just not good here. not at all. Ward ur rookie is a hrd hitter with very low coverage skills according to reports.

Offense for 2010 - C -
Defense for 2010 - C -

Browns 2010 Record 5-11

I needed to go look at your initial predictions to get an understanding of the back and forth going on in here. I really don't feel that your predictions were too far off at the time, but I doubt that your 5-11 prediction will come to fruition. I've been saying 7-9, so, I'm going to stick with that.

Now, I know that you probably didn't intend to start drama in here, but, lets be real about a few things.

1) Your comparison to Run DMC being better than Hillis, I'd honestly say thats too close to call. The reason being? Well, you stated it perfectly when you said that DMC is being spelled by Michael Bush. Do you honestly think that if Hillis had a back to spell him that his fumbles wouldn't drop and that his ypc wouldn't improve? In fact, for Hillis not having anyone to give him a breather, he is probably better than DMC. Here is their compared stat lines,

Hillis
carries:238
yards:1070
tds:11
rec:57
yds:446
avg:7.8
tds:2
fum:8

DMC
carries:192
yards:993
tds:7
rec:39
yds:437
avg:11.2
tds:3
fum:3

Plus, the first two games, he barely played, like 13 touches total each game. So, I'd have to say the debate is either too close to call or slightly in Hillis' favor.

Next, you make a very good point in regards to Mo Mass and Robiskie. Neither one of them has lived up to their draft potential of being 2nd round picks. But, how can you slam Mo Mass and Robiskie, and then defend DHB? The difference between the three is that Mo Mass and Robiskie were not taken with the 7th overall pick in the NFL draft. Here are the career stat comparisons between DHB and Mo Mass,

Mo Mass
rec:64
yds:1032
avg:16.1
tds:5


DHB
rec:30
yds:430
avg:14.3
tds:2

Gotta give it to Mo Mass, don't you?


Lastly, you're still in the playoff hunt because your team is in a far inferior division compared to the Browns. Plus, the Browns have had a much tougher schedule thus far. However, I will give you your due credit for calling that Wright and Jake would both suck major *** this year. There is no denying that you are 100% correct in making that prediction.

[ReBirthofNumber81]

Originally Posted by ReBirthofNumber81
Yes i'm a Raider fan but i LIVE in cleveland ohio and watch all the browns games. My opinions...


QBs- D+.... How do you get off saying Delhomme (lead NFL in picks) and a rookie who had never played before is even average? I'd say the browns probably belong in the top 5 worst QBs in the league. Try to think of 5 teams who have worse options AT THIS POINT?

FBs - A - ....Great blocking backs no doubt. Top 5 in the league with FBS no doubt

RBs- B .... Solid B as you have alot of POTENTIAL and youth at the position. We'll see what it translats to on the field

WR - D ..... You dont have a number one period. Cribbs on any other team would not even start. He is a glorified wildcat specialist/returner. he ISN'T a true reciever. he averages like 300 yds a season and plays every down. OUCH! GREAT GREAT player tho just not WR. Massoqui(Sp) has potential and brings u up from an F to a D. Robiske is like a ghost. Stuckey is lame. Again top 5 worst core in the league

TE- C+ .....Watson is solid but up there in age. Check the AFC West they have some INSANE tight ends. you guys are average

OL - A - ... I must admit i'm VERY jealous of your YOUNG, STRONG, GREAT O LINE. Easily a top 10 BEST in the league. GREAT LINE

DL - B ..... Rogers is a FORCE. You guys dont have much depth tho besides him. I mean EVERYONE has a bunch of players on their teams taht could b something but nothing concrete here.

LBS - B-... Soliid here too, You will miss the pass rush of Wimbley. but barton and dqwell and pretty good. You guys got fujita too right? solid

CBs - C ... i'll probably get chewed out for this but i dont think they are much better than average. Haden is a ROOKIE and slow, maybe he will amount to somethin so i'm not judging him yet. Eric Wright a top ten CB? WOW lemme have what ur smoking. He is a solid 2nd CB in this league AT BEST. He's played number one the lst two yrs and gets eaten alive ALOT. Sheldon brown is old and is a solid number 2 also in this league. Honestly he is decent. B mcdonald had a HORRIBLE season last year. Francis is a dime man at best.

Safety - D+... in comparison to the league your just not good here. not at all. Ward ur rookie is a hrd hitter with very low coverage skills according to reports.

Offense for 2010 - C -
Defense for 2010 - C -

Browns 2010 Record 5-11

I needed to go look at your initial predictions to get an understanding of the back and forth going on in here. I really don't feel that your predictions were too far off at the time, but I doubt that your 5-11 prediction will come to fruition. I've been saying 7-9, so, I'm going to stick with that.

Now, I know that you probably didn't intend to start drama in here, but, lets be real about a few things.

1) Your comparison to Run DMC being better than Hillis, I'd honestly say thats too close to call. The reason being? Well, you stated it perfectly when you said that DMC is being spelled by Michael Bush. Do you honestly think that if Hillis had a back to spell him that his fumbles wouldn't drop and that his ypc wouldn't improve? In fact, for Hillis not having anyone to give him a breather, he is probably better than DMC. Here is their compared stat lines,

Hillis
carries:238
yards:1070
tds:11
rec:57
yds:446
avg:7.8
tds:2
fum:8

DMC
carries:192
yards:993
tds:7
rec:39
yds:437
avg:11.2
tds:3
fum:3

Plus, the first two games, he barely played, like 13 touches total each game. So, I'd have to say the debate is either too close to call or slightly in Hillis' favor.

Next, you make a very good point in regards to Mo Mass and Robiskie. Neither one of them has lived up to their draft potential of being 2nd round picks. But, how can you slam Mo Mass and Robiskie, and then defend DHB? The difference between the three is that Mo Mass and Robiskie were not taken with the 7th overall pick in the NFL draft. Here are the career stat comparisons between DHB and Mo Mass,

Mo Mass
rec:64
yds:1032
avg:16.1
tds:5


DHB
rec:30
yds:430
avg:14.3
tds:2

Gotta give it to Mo Mass, don't you?


Lastly, you're still in the playoff hunt because your team is in a far inferior division compared to the Browns. Plus, the Browns have had a much tougher schedule thus far. However, I will give you your due credit for calling that Wright and Jake would both suck major *** this year. There is no denying that you are 100% correct in making that prediction.

Ok like your arguement there. Definatly no disrespect but time to stand up for my guys lol

DMAC>HILLIS..... after this week hillis has 15 more yds than DMAC on 40 more carries. DMC has almost a yd more Per carry now too. DMAC is taking over...(we have the 2nd ranked rush team in the nfl to top it off)

I understand that Massaquoi is better than Heyward bey RIGHT NOW in stats in a career. But is funny how you compare your NUMBER 1 reciever to our NUMBER 2. Apples to apples is DHB> ROBISKE....and Louis Murphy > Mass. Beside mass and murphy came out the same draft . Louis was a 4th rounder at that. DHB is not producing like he should, ill admit that, Which sucks tho. In ending i didnt even want to compare my players to yours in this thread it just happened cuz i had to defend my guys!

[ReBirthofNumber81]

Ha you said Delhome wouldnt be an upgrade on what we had Delhome > DA O btw im actually glad we got Delhomme he has been a great leader and role model for Colt Mccoy.

Eric Wright had a good season a year ago very solid for us but he has struggled he could actually be a decent corner if he gets his confidence back. Back to the ratings how would you rate us now?

QB - B ....Think colt could be a future guy for sure. Think he could be a chad pennington type

RB - A- .....Hilis is beast mode! - would be a solid A but hardesty and harrison are gone right now

WR - F ... still probably the worst starting WR duo in the league

TE - B ... watson looks tough, royal been coming though

O line B -....great run blocking, GREAT LEFT SIDE, right side needs work in pass protection

D line - C , rogers good, thats aabout it

LBs .C average

CB C ....Haden B, Sheldon C, Wright F...equals a C

Safety, B - ...TJ WARD looks good, elam not as good


prediction STILL 5 - 11

[TheSnowman]

Man, there's no way you watch Browns games for all you like to talk about them. No freakin way. I'll look past your Chad Pennington comparison.

But first off, you skipped FB. They have maybe the best in the league. And if you're lumping that in at RB, there's no way it's an A-. Robert Royal coming through? He got open and Colt made a sweet throw and he managed to catch it. He's a bum. And Watson should make the Pro Bowl. Even with our horrendous right side, I think our line's better than a B-, but that's not a big issue.

But Rogers the only good part of our DLine? And Haden a B? First of all, Haden is a darkhorse for rookie of the year. He's been outstanding. As for defensive line, the position has been decimated by injuries to Rogers, Robaire Smith, Kenyon Coleman and Brian Schaefering. What you may or may not be seeing are thrown together ends who are getting old, but would be much better as a group if one could stay healthy. And you ignored the best part of the defensive line in Rubin.

Lots of people in the NFL have heard of this guy and his NT play, which goes to show that you're clearly not as knowledgeable about the Browns as you think. Watch the games so you know what you're talking about or just stop trolling our board.

[ReBirthofNumber81]

Man, there's no way you watch Browns games for all you like to talk about them. No freakin way. I'll look past your Chad Pennington comparison.

But first off, you skipped FB. They have maybe the best in the league. And if you're lumping that in at RB, there's no way it's an A-. Robert Royal coming through? He got open and Colt made a sweet throw and he managed to catch it. He's a bum. And Watson should make the Pro Bowl. Even with our horrendous right side, I think our line's better than a B-, but that's not a big issue.

But Rogers the only good part of our DLine? And Haden a B? First of all, Haden is a darkhorse for rookie of the year. He's been outstanding. As for defensive line, the position has been decimated by injuries to Rogers, Robaire Smith, Kenyon Coleman and Brian Schaefering. What you may or may not be seeing are thrown together ends who are getting old, but would be much better as a group if one could stay healthy. And you ignored the best part of the defensive line in Rubin.

Lots of people in the NFL have heard of this guy and his NT play, which goes to show that you're clearly not as knowledgeable about the Browns as you think. Watch the games so you know what you're talking about or just stop trolling our board.

Ok so after you say all that....

You wouldnt rate your Backs as a whole as an A?

You wouldn't rate yoru TEs as a whole a B?

You yourself just said how your line as been beat up and injured all year. Your run d is in the bottom 3rd of the league, so what am i so wrong about?

all this cuz your mad i said royal was decent? lol ....and to your haden comment. WOULD ANYONE RATE HADEN OVER ABOVE B in his first year already? If revis and asomugha are As(shut down). HADEN IS NOT AN A in his rookie year. i think i'm pretty dead one

P.S dont b mad ur gonna finish 5 - 11 like i said either ; )