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  • A good starter

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  • a good bullpen that shortens the end of the game

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    PSD MLB Daily 5/27/10 - Lights Out In Wrigley (Finally)



    Final scores from May 26th
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    Player News
    Ellsbury suffering from inflammation in ribs, hopes to avoid DL
    "The outfielder said he felt fine and had a scheduled day off yesterday before feeling something on his left side after batting practice. That's when the Sox changed plans and decided to retain Darnell McDonald. Ellsbury had x-rays and a CT scan and was examined by Dr. Coco Eaton, the well-respected Rays team physician. According to Ellsbury, he has inflammation in roughly the same area as his fractured ribs. The test results will journey to Boston with the Sox tonight to be studied by the doctors there. Ellsbury said he hoped the issue would be minor and not require a return to the disabled list."
    Stephen Strasburg to debut against Pirates, report says
    "The Nationals have "tentatively" planned for Stephen Strasburg to make his first major league start sometime between June 8 and June 10 against the Pittsburgh Pirates, according to a report on the team's official Web site. The report, which cited a team source, said the Nationals have yet to choose a specific day but will make an announcement five or six days beforehand. The Nationals have given no indication of when Strasburg will make his ravenously anticipated debut. Speculation long centered on Strasburg starting June 4 against the Cincinnati Reds. It's the first home game after which the Nationals can be assured Strasburg will not earn Super Two status, and it would allow Strasburg ..."
    Dodgers inquire about Cliff Lee and Roy Oswalt
    "The Dodgers have asked the Seattle Mariners about Cliff Lee and the Houston Astros about Roy Oswalt. The response from the Mariners and the Astros has been the same: We're not about to trade our guy just yet, but we'll get back to you if and when we do. Even if the Dodgers were to agree to take on salary, the chances of a trade could depend on how deeply the Mariners and Astros wish to rebuild. The Dodgers' top prospects are at the lower levels of the minor leagues, so the team would be an unlikely trade partner should the Mariners or Astros want a trade package to feature talent ready for the major leagues. The Mariners might demand a more attractive prospect package because a ..."
    June 9 return looks unlikely for Roberts
    "Orioles second baseman Brian Roberts will head to Sarasota, Fla., on Friday to resume his rehabilitation program, which has been delayed more than a week by a bout of pneumonia that landed him in the hospital for two nights. "I think the scariest part was when they started testing for stuff just to find out what it was," said Roberts, who has played in just four games this season. "Sure it scares you a little bit, but I assumed, the way I felt, I had a pretty good case of the flu or something, but the doctors were great and everything seems to be fine." Roberts missed most of spring training with a herniated disk in his back, and he aggravated the injury when he dove into second base ..."

    Edgar Renteria returns to DL with injured right hamstring

    "Edgar Renteria's creaky right hamstring arrived at the worst possible time for him. The veteran shortstop ended up on the disabled list yet again Wednesday, just four days after he had rejoined the club after missing time with a groin injury. But the timing might work out perfectly for right fielder Nate Schierholtz, who is finally getting over a bruised shoulder and, in a roundabout way, stands to regain a starting job in Renteria's absence. With Renteria out, Juan Uribe moved back to shortstop, Pablo Sandoval returned to third base, and Aubrey Huff traded in his lightly used outfielder's glove for his first baseman's mitt. Schierholtz, who had a cortisone injection Sunday, said his swing ..."
    Gonzalez has setback in return from injury
    "Orioles closer Mike Gonzalez isn't in any pain, but the injured reliever hasn't built up enough arm strength in his strained left shoulder and will start an extensive long-toss throwing program at the team's Spring Training complex in Sarasota, Fla. Orioles president of baseball operations Andy MacPhail said that he spoke on the phone with Gonzalez on Wednesday night, and they were both in agreement over the course of action. Since Gonzalez was recently moved from the 15-day disabled list to the 60-day DL, he has time to step back and build up his arm before throwing in any more extended spring games. "He just doesn't have the arm strength he should have," manager Dave Trembley said of ..."
    Highlights
    Two balks lead to Guillen, Buehrle ejections
    Boesch's great catch lands him in the stands
    Jeter's throw ends inning, saves run
    Power outage delays the game
    Hairston hammers a walk-off home run


    Standings
    Code:
    American League
    AL East 	W 	L 	PCT 	GB 	HOME 	AWAY 	EAST 	CENT 	WEST 	NL
    Tampa Bay 	32 	15 	.681 	- 	13-10 	19-5 	14-7 	6-3 	10-4 	2-1
    NY Yankees 	28 	18 	.609 	3.5 	13-6 	15-12 	12-7 	7-5 	8-4 	1-2
    Boston       	27 	21 	.562 	5.5 	14-11 	13-10 	13-14 	6-5 	6-1 	2-1
    Toronto 	27 	22 	.551 	6.0 	11-11 	16-11 	5-7 	11-5 	10-8 	1-2
    Baltimore 	15 	32 	.319 	17.0 	9-13 	6-19 	6-15 	4-5 	4-10 	1-2
    AL Central 	W 	L 	PCT 	GB 	HOME 	AWAY 	EAST 	CENT 	WEST 	NL[/I]
    Minnesota 	26 	20 	.565 	- 	14-9 	12-11 	6-10 	15-8 	3-1 	2-1
    Detroit 	25 	21 	.543 	1.0 	14-6 	11-15 	5-2 	9-9 	10-8 	1-2
    Chi. White Sox 	20 	26 	.435 	6.0 	11-13 	9-13 	5-9 	9-12 	4-4 	2-1
    Kansas City 	19 	28 	.404 	7.5 	9-14 	10-14 	5-7 	11-12 	2-7 	1-2
    Cleveland 	17 	28 	.378 	8.5 	8-14 	9-14 	2-6 	11-14 	3-6 	1-2
    AL West 	W 	L 	PCT 	GB 	HOME 	AWAY 	EAST 	CENT 	WEST 	NL
    Texas         	26 	21 	.553 	- 	18-9 	8-12 	4-10 	11-5 	10-4 	1-2
    Oakland 	24 	23 	.511 	2.0 	18-9 	6-14 	8-10 	2-3 	11-10 	3-0
    LA Angels 	23 	26 	.469 	4.0 	14-12 	9-14 	9-10 	7-9 	6-5 	1-2
    Seattle 	18 	28 	.391 	7.5 	12-13 	6-15 	6-8 	6-5 	5-13 	1-2
    
    National League
    NL East 	W 	L 	PCT 	GB 	HOME 	AWAY 	EAST 	CENT 	WEST 	AL
    Philadelphia 	26 	19 	.578 	- 	13-10 	13-9 	11-9 	11-3 	3-5 	1-2
    Atlanta 	24 	22 	.522 	2.5 	13-6 	11-16 	5-11 	12-6 	7-5 	0-0
    Florida 	24 	23 	.511 	3.0 	13-11 	11-12 	12-6 	6-6 	5-9 	1-2
    NY Mets 	24 	23 	.511 	3.0 	18-9 	6-14 	11-14 	5-5 	6-3 	2-1
    Washington 	24 	23 	.511 	3.0 	14-10 	10-13 	12-11 	4-4 	6-7 	2-1
    NL Central 	W 	L 	PCT 	GB 	HOME 	AWAY 	EAST 	CENT 	WEST 	AL
    Cincinnati 	27 	20 	.574 	- 	16-10 	11-10 	4-5 	18-11 	3-3 	2-1
    St. Louis 	26 	21 	.553 	1.0 	15-8 	11-13 	10-5 	11-10 	3-5 	2-1
    Chi. Cubs 	22 	25 	.468 	5.0 	12-11 	10-14 	5-10 	9-12 	6-2 	2-1
    Pittsburgh 	20 	27 	.426 	7.0 	11-12 	9-15 	2-3 	13-16 	5-8 	0-0
    Milwaukee 	18 	28 	.391 	8.5 	5-15 	13-13 	1-8 	8-13 	8-5 	1-2
    Houston 	16 	30 	.348 	10.5 	9-18 	7-12 	2-7 	10-7 	3-14 	1-2
    NL West 	W 	L 	PCT 	GB 	HOME 	AWAY 	EAST 	CENT 	WEST 	AL
    San Diego 	28 	18 	.609 	- 	14-9 	14-9 	3-3 	9-3 	14-11 	2-1
    LA Dodgers 	26 	20 	.565 	2.0 	15-8 	11-12 	2-7 	9-8 	13-4 	2-1
    Colorado 	24 	22 	.522 	4.0 	13-7 	11-15 	11-8 	2-5 	9-8 	2-1
    San Francisco 	23 	22 	.511 	4.5 	14-9 	9-13 	9-5 	10-2 	4-12 	0-3
    Arizona 	20 	27 	.426 	8.5 	11-12 	9-15 	4-4 	7-10 	7-12 	2-1
    Today's Games
    Code:
    * Houston at Milwaukee (1:10 PM) * L.A. Dodgers at Chi. Cubs (2:20 PM) * Arizona at Colorado (3:10 PM) * Washington at San Francisco (3:45 PM) * St. Louis at San Diego (6:35 PM) * Oakland at Baltimore (7:05 PM) * Pittsburgh at Cincinnati (7:10 PM) * Chi. White Sox at Tampa Bay (7:10 PM) * Atlanta at Florida (7:10 PM) * Kansas City at Boston (7:10 PM) * Philadelphia at N.Y. Mets (7:10 PM) * N.Y. Yankees at Minnesota (8:10 PM)
    Image Of The Day

    Chicago Cubs players walk to the dugout during a power outage in the fourth inning of a baseball game against the Los Angeles Dodgers, Wednesday, May 26, 2010, in Chicago.
    Last edited by YankeeFan28; 05-27-2010 at 10:17 AM.

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    LoLights out


    Soon...

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    Hooray! 2 wins for the yankees
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    Nice thread title

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    Mets have been playing some pretty good baseball. I'd love to see them sweep the Phillies, but it'll be difficult. They've shut them out 2 games in a row and I can see The Phils' offense exploding tonight. Hopefully Pelfrey can hold it down and we get some runs against Hamels.
    Props to MetsLegacy

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    I voted for a pehenomenal pitcher as most valuable. A great picther can take the load off the bullpen and that is extraordinary when it comes down to the final stretch of the season. The only argument I can see made, is the bullpen is called upon everyday and that phenom of a pitcher pitches every other 5 days!

    I'm sick of seeing 0's on my teams run total

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    I'm gonna go with starter. The Mets are a pretty good example of what happens when you don't have a good starter. Their bullpen was amazing earlier this season (and they're still pretty solid now), but having to constantly come in early in the game to back up Perez or Maine because their scrub *** couldn't make it past the 5th inning took it's toll on a couple of guys. I'm glad they're both out of the rotation.
    Props to MetsLegacy

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    Quote Originally Posted by ritz View Post
    I'm gonna go with starter. The Mets are a pretty good example of what happens when you don't have a good starter. Their bullpen was amazing earlier this season (and they're still pretty solid now), but having to constantly come in early in the game to back up Perez or Maine because their scrub *** couldn't make it past the 5th inning took it's toll on a couple of guys. I'm glad they're both out of the rotation.
    Ritz. What's your perception of that Meija guy? He's a 20 year old who has a vicious fastball, but the Phillies broadcast mentioned that he is up there in your bullpen amount of innings pitched. he looked shaky last night and threw a lot of wild pitches, what do you guys (mets) think of him?

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    3 Shutouts in the last 4 games = LoLOffense. It's like they forgot how to hit, especially when someone gets on base.

    Props.LgnD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CityofTreez View Post
    Ritz. What's your perception of that Meija guy? He's a 20 year old who has a vicious fastball, but the Phillies broadcast mentioned that he is up there in your bullpen amount of innings pitched. he looked shaky last night and threw a lot of wild pitches, what do you guys (mets) think of him?
    I think I speak for pretty much every Met fan and anyone with half a brain by saying he should not be in the major leagues, especially in the bullpen. Not only is he not stretching his arm out to be a starter (like he should be), but he's only been told to rely heavily on his FB (he throws it 80% of the time). He's gotten himself into jams, but his poise, especially for a 20 year old kid, is amazing. He's very alert and anytime he thinks there's a play where the ball might need to be thrown over the mound he drops down on the ground (it's pretty funny at times). Last night he thought the runner was going, so right after the threw the ball he went down. He's also done it when DWright has charged a ball and thrown it over him. Haha

    But yeah, he should be in the minors starting every 5th day refining his secondary pitches and stretching his arm out. He has the best arm in the bullpen, but they're delaying his development by not letting him do what needs to be done.

    Here's an article from Fangraphs when everyone thought (and hoped) he was being sent to the minors:

    When the New York Mets opened the 2010 season with top prospect Jenrry Mejia, a 20-year-old righty with scarce experience above A-Ball, in the big league bullpen instead of in a minor league rotation, the move was viewed as a short-sighted play by a GM and manager with tenuous job security.

    The Mets have apparently changed course, however. According to ESPN New York’s Adam Rubin, Mejia will return to the minors to get stretched out as a starter. With the oft-pummeled Oliver Perez banished to the ‘pen and Jon Niese at least temporarily sidelined by a hamstring injury (R.A. Dickey to the rescue!), New York is short on starting options and hopes that Baseball America’s #56 preseason prospect can return to take some turns later this summer.

    Signed out of the Dominican Republic in 2007 for just $16,500, Mejia split the 2009 campaign between the High-A Florida State League and the Double-A Eastern League. The 6-0, 160 pound (listed) Mejia struck out 7.9 batters, walked 2.9 per nine and had a 61.7 percent ground ball rate in 50.1 FSL frames. In Double-A, he increased his whiff rate (9.5 K/9) and got plenty of grounders (56.3 GB%) in 44.1 innings, though Mejia issued more walks (4.7 BB/9).

    Entering 2010, Baseball America described Mejia as possessing 90-96 MPH gas (touching 98 MPH) with “so much cutting and sinking action that it befuddles hitters.” BA also liked his low-to-mid-80’s changeup, while also noting that the off-speed pitch was inconsistent and that his breaking stuff needed plenty of work.

    As a reliever in the majors with a praiseworthy fastball and rudimentary secondary stuff, Mejia did what you would expect: he reared back and fired. He used his heater (averaging 94.4 MPH on the radar gun) about 81 percent of the time, supplementing it with a high-70’s curveball (10 percent) and a mid-80’s change (nine percent).

    In 17.1 low-leverage innings (0.84 Leverage Index), Mejia had 7.27 K/9, 4.15 BB/9 a 58.5 ground ball rate and a 4.23 expected FIP (xFIP). He had some issues getting ahead in the count, as a sub-50 first pitch strike percentage attests, but Mejia simply holding his own is a testament to his talent.

    This is the right move for the Mets–Mejia’s long-term value to the franchise is considerably higher as a potential front-line starter than it is as a reliever. He needs innings to build stamina, hone his control and develop his change and slider.

    Similarly, Mejia’s returning to a starting role should be viewed as a positive for fantasy owners. His high K/high ground ball skill set makes him highly coveted in keeper leagues. It’s easier to scrounge for saves that it is to find a premium starting prospect.
    His stuff is amazing, but he needs somewhere to develop it and being in the bullpen at the major league level isn't that place. Jerry Manuel was allowed to make the decision and of course he doesn't care about the team's future because he [Jerry] won't be part of it. Quite sad.
    Last edited by ritz; 05-27-2010 at 12:06 PM.
    Props to MetsLegacy

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    Quote Originally Posted by ritz View Post
    I think I speak for pretty much every Met fan and anyone with half a brain by saying he should not be in the major leagues, especially in the bullpen. Not only is he not stretching his arm out to be a starter (like he should be), but he's only been told to rely heavily on his FB (he throws it 80% of the time). He's gotten himself into jams, but his poise, especially for a 20 year old kid, is amazing. He's very alert and anytime he thinks there's a play where the ball might need to be thrown over the mound he drops down on the ground (it's pretty funny at times). Last night he thought the runner was going, so right after the threw the ball he went down. He's also done it when DWright has charged a ball and thrown it over him. Haha

    But yeah, he should be in the minors starting every 5th day refining his secondary pitches and stretching his arm out. He has the best arm in the bullpen, but they're delaying his development by not letting him do what needs to be done.
    I remember that last night

    You just summed up everything I needed. and yes, he did throw a fastball 3x in every count. Even though he is a Met, he is a promising player from what I saw last night, but he is young and has time to grow and develop into a better pitcher whether it be a closer or SP, but I think this kid is better than a bullpen arm.

    best of luck tonight and wtf is up with Phillies fans taking over Citi Field? That should never happen, but me likey

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    Quote Originally Posted by CityofTreez View Post
    I remember that last night

    You just summed up everything I needed. and yes, he did throw a fastball 3x in every count. Even though he is a Met, he is a promising player from what I saw last night, but he is young and has time to grow and develop into a better pitcher whether it be a closer or SP, but I think this kid is better than a bullpen arm.

    best of luck tonight and wtf is up with Phillies fans taking over Citi Field? That should never happen, but me likey
    Probably because attendance is down, so there are plenty of seats to be had.
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    i'll take the starter over the bull pen. if the starters good enough, you don't need a bull pen. not the case with the pen. if the games out of reach, it doens't really matter who comes out to pitch
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    I'll take the starter over the bull pen as well. And lets take care of the other Sox team!
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