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    Ike Davis vs Justin Smoak

    Ike Davis
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    Team	League	AVG	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	TB	BB	SO	SB	CS	OBP	SLG	OPS
    STL	FSL	.288	59	222	28	64	17	3	7	28	108	31	52	0	2	.376	.486	.863
    BIN	EAS	.306	35	134	19	41	8	0	8	27	73	19	40	0	0	.392	.545	.937
    Minors		.295	94	356	47	105	25	3	15	55	181	50	92	0	2	.382	.508	.891
    Justin Smoak
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    Team	League	AVG	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	TB	BB	SO	SB	CS	OBP	SLG	OPS
    RAN	AZL	.667	2	6	3	4	0	1	2	5	12	1	1	0	0	.714	2.000	2.714
    FRI	TEX	.328	50	183	30	60	10	0	6	29	88	39	35	0	0	.449	.481	.930
    OKC	PCL	.223	24	94	12	21	5	0	2	12	32	11	23	0	0	.308	.340	.649
    Minors		.300	76	283	45	85	15	1	10	46	132	51	59	0	0	.411	.466	.877

    Yeah Smoak is better, but am just saying.

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    They've both got very similar numbers, but because I don't know much about Davis I have to give the edge to Justin Smoak. Rangers scouts have said he's the next Mark Teixeira.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack of Blades View Post
    They've both got very similar numbers, but because I don't know much about Davis I have to give the edge to Justin Smoak. Rangers scouts have said he's the next Mark Teixeira.
    I prefer it when they call him a switch hitting Justin Morneau thats much better than Tex


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    it's funny, ike has been the best 1b drafted in the 1st round from last years draft yet he's gets dogged by every prospect site. guess a 6'5" power hitting 1b with a great glove isn't popular.

    at this point it's funny to me.

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    hey man i totally agree its almost as if we see something that the rest of these guys just aren't seeing... Right on!! to blueNorange's
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    lol Well the stats certainly don't show Smoak as the better player do they.

    Ike beats him in OPS handily.

    Does anyone know if they have OPS+ for the minors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hustla23 View Post
    lol Well the stats certainly don't show Smoak as the better player do they.

    Ike beats him in OPS handily.

    Does anyone know if they have OPS+ for the minors?
    well smoak has played higher levels than ike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfan89 View Post
    well smoak has played higher levels than ike.
    Oh. Didn't catch that.

    Nvm.

    Hopefully he does better when gets there himself haha

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    A lot of false points going around the thread......

    1.) Ike Davis isn't better then Justin Smoak so Ike wasn't the best 1st basemen in last years draft.

    2.) OPS is a flawed statistic. You would be better suited just using the OBP part of it without the SLG.

    3.) Justin Morneau is not much better then Teixeira......not even close actually. Teixeira has the edge of Morneau so far in their careers by a good margin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quiksilver2491 View Post
    A lot of false points going around the thread......

    1.) Ike Davis isn't better then Justin Smoak so Ike wasn't the best 1st basemen in last years draft.

    2.) OPS is a flawed statistic. You would be better suited just using the OBP part of it without the SLG.

    3.) Justin Morneau is not much better then Teixeira......not even close actually. Teixeira has the edge of Morneau so far in their careers by a good margin.
    Translation: use a statistic that smoak is better than davis with. cause davis' SLG is better, but suddenly its flawed.
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    Rofl yeah.

    Maybe if they were leadoff hitters OBP would matter more, but since they're first basemen and most likely middle of the order guys, OPS is the most accurate statistic with which to judge their offensive abilities

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hustla23 View Post
    Rofl yeah.

    Maybe if they were leadoff hitters OBP would matter more, but since they're first basemen and most likely middle of the order guys, OPS is the most accurate statistic with which to judge their offensive abilities
    yeah i like my first baseman to have higher SLG. I'm just saying.
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    update:

    ike davis:

    114 games
    .298 ba
    429 ab's
    128 hits
    31 doubles
    3 triples
    20 homeruns
    71 rbi's
    57 walks
    112 strikeouts
    .381 obp
    .524 slugging
    .906 ops

    justin smoak:

    106 games
    .290 ba
    386 ab's
    112 hits
    21 doubles
    1 triple
    12 homeruns
    57 rbi's
    75 walks
    81 strikeouts
    .410 obp
    .443 slugging
    .853 ops

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfan89 View Post
    yeah i like my first baseman to have higher SLG. I'm just saying.
    I hope this still isn't the case


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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfan89 View Post
    Translation: use a statistic that smoak is better than davis with. cause davis' SLG is better, but suddenly its flawed.
    Mistranslation. Here's what it means:

    OPS is a flawed statistic because it places an equal emphasis on OBP and SLG. They're not. OBP has a scale that maxes out at 1.00, while SLG can go higher than that. That being said, it undervalues some players and overvalues others. You'll find that a player with an OBP of .300 and a SLG of .600 will have the same OPS as a player with an OBP of .400 and a SLG of .500, yet the second player generates more runs.

    The way to fix this is 1.8 * OBP + SLG, and if you divide it by 4 you get a number scaled to batting average (this is called Gross Production Average).

    Davis: 0.302 GPA
    Smoak: 0.295 GPA

    That's...much, much closer than what OPS would make it seem. Smoak is also playing at a higher level than Davis is. Davis is also striking out in about 6% more of his plate appearances than Smoak is, which doesn't translate well.
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