Ike Davis vs Justin Smoak

**Sick Of It All** · 07-31-2009, 08:52 PM

Ike Davis

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Team	League	AVG	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	TB	BB	SO	SB	CS	OBP	SLG	OPS
STL	FSL	.288	59	222	28	64	17	3	7	28	108	31	52	0	2	.376	.486	.863
BIN	EAS	.306	35	134	19	41	8	0	8	27	73	19	40	0	0	.392	.545	.937
Minors		.295	94	356	47	105	25	3	15	55	181	50	92	0	2	.382	.508	.891

Justin Smoak

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Team	League	AVG	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	TB	BB	SO	SB	CS	OBP	SLG	OPS
RAN	AZL	.667	2	6	3	4	0	1	2	5	12	1	1	0	0	.714	2.000	2.714
FRI	TEX	.328	50	183	30	60	10	0	6	29	88	39	35	0	0	.449	.481	.930
OKC	PCL	.223	24	94	12	21	5	0	2	12	32	11	23	0	0	.308	.340	.649
Minors		.300	76	283	45	85	15	1	10	46	132	51	59	0	0	.411	.466	.877

Yeah Smoak is better, but am just saying.

**Jack of Blades** · 07-31-2009, 09:27 PM

They've both got very similar numbers, but because I don't know much about Davis I have to give the edge to Justin Smoak. Rangers scouts have said he's the next Mark Teixeira.

**blueNorange** · 07-31-2009, 11:19 PM

it's funny, ike has been the best 1b drafted in the 1st round from last years draft yet he's gets dogged by every prospect site. guess a 6'5" power hitting 1b with a great glove isn't popular.

at this point it's funny to me.

**Hustla23** · 08-03-2009, 07:08 PM

lol Well the stats certainly don't show Smoak as the better player do they.

Ike beats him in OPS handily.

Does anyone know if they have OPS+ for the minors?

**BoyGenius** · 08-03-2009, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Jack of Blades

They've both got very similar numbers, but because I don't know much about Davis I have to give the edge to Justin Smoak. Rangers scouts have said he's the next Mark Teixeira.

I prefer it when they call him a switch hitting Justin Morneau thats much better than Tex

**jetsfan89** · 08-03-2009, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Hustla23

lol Well the stats certainly don't show Smoak as the better player do they.

Ike beats him in OPS handily.

Does anyone know if they have OPS+ for the minors?

well smoak has played higher levels than ike.

**Hustla23** · 08-04-2009, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by jetsfan89

well smoak has played higher levels than ike.

Oh. Didn't catch that.

Nvm.

Hopefully he does better when gets there himself haha

**quiksilver2491** · 08-04-2009, 10:36 AM

A lot of false points going around the thread......

1.) Ike Davis isn't better then Justin Smoak so Ike wasn't the best 1st basemen in last years draft.

2.) OPS is a flawed statistic. You would be better suited just using the OBP part of it without the SLG.

3.) Justin Morneau is not much better then Teixeira......not even close actually. Teixeira has the edge of Morneau so far in their careers by a good margin.

**McJoe** · 08-04-2009, 12:47 PM

Smoak's eye for the ball is INCREDIBLY advanced for a player his age. Just based on that IMO Smoak is gonna be a better player than Davis. Smoak is also already in AAA.

Davis isnt a bad player but he isnt Smoak. But if the point of this thread is for 1B from that draft...

2008 A-: .341/.411/.553/.964
2008 A: .354/.415/.521/.936
2008 A+: .304/.373/.435/.808
2009 AA: .251/.322/.360/.682

David Cooper, Toronto Blue Jays.

**jetsfan89** · 08-04-2009, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by McJoe

Smoak's eye for the ball is INCREDIBLY advanced for a player his age. Just based on that IMO Smoak is gonna be a better player than Davis. Smoak is also already in AAA.

Davis isnt a bad player but he isnt Smoak. But if the point of this thread is for 1B from that draft...

2008 A-: .341/.411/.553/.964
2008 A: .354/.415/.521/.936
2008 A+: .304/.373/.435/.808
2009 AA: .251/.322/.360/.682

David Cooper, Toronto Blue Jays.

Davis is better

**jetsfan89** · 08-04-2009, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by quiksilver2491

A lot of false points going around the thread......

1.) Ike Davis isn't better then Justin Smoak so Ike wasn't the best 1st basemen in last years draft.

2.) OPS is a flawed statistic. You would be better suited just using the OBP part of it without the SLG.

3.) Justin Morneau is not much better then Teixeira......not even close actually. Teixeira has the edge of Morneau so far in their careers by a good margin.

Translation: use a statistic that smoak is better than davis with. cause davis' SLG is better, but suddenly its flawed.

**Hustla23** · 08-04-2009, 02:47 PM

Rofl yeah.

Maybe if they were leadoff hitters OBP would matter more, but since they're first basemen and most likely middle of the order guys, OPS is the most accurate statistic with which to judge their offensive abilities

**jetsfan89** · 08-04-2009, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Hustla23

Rofl yeah.

Maybe if they were leadoff hitters OBP would matter more, but since they're first basemen and most likely middle of the order guys, OPS is the most accurate statistic with which to judge their offensive abilities

yeah i like my first baseman to have higher SLG. I'm just saying.

**blueNorange** · 09-01-2009, 09:56 AM

update:

ike davis:

114 games
.298 ba
429 ab's
128 hits
31 doubles
3 triples
20 homeruns
71 rbi's
57 walks
112 strikeouts
.381 obp
.524 slugging
.906 ops

justin smoak:

106 games
.290 ba
386 ab's
112 hits
21 doubles
1 triple
12 homeruns
57 rbi's
75 walks
81 strikeouts
.410 obp
.443 slugging
.853 ops

**C1Bman88** · 09-01-2009, 11:06 AM

What is this update supposed to prove?

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