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    Joe Crede: The 10 Million Dollar Defender?

    Right now at FanGraphs for Joe Crede:

    -0.3 batting
    11.9 fielding
    9.7 replacement
    1.0 positional
    22.3 RAR
    2.2 WAR
    $10.1

    Somebody please translate for a n00b like me.

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    2.2 * ($ of 1 marginal win), which is around $4.4 for this season = $10 million

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    What do you mean? Yes he's worth that much?

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    Crede should've won the gold glove at least a couple times while he was in Chicago
    Quote Originally Posted by effen5 View Post
    2 years ago, this team was worth 650 million dollars. Derrick Rose has played ten games since and now this team is worth a billion dollars. Clearly, it's Tom Thibodeu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantes4Life View Post
    What do you mean? Yes he's worth that much?
    I mean is his value solely tied to defense here?

    Since his offense is a slight negative, does that mean he's essentially a "10 million dollar defender"?

    I didn't think that was a tough concept.

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    No, his value is not solely tied to his defense. The run values for batting, fielding, and position are all measured against average. So -.3 batting runs just means that he's been a smidge below average at the plate.

    Even if he had, say, -5 batting runs and 0 fielding runs, he would still be 6 runs above replacement, and still have some value (about .6 WAR, which they'd estimate at around $2.6 or so).

    -0.3 batting
    11.9 fielding
    9.7 replacement
    1.0 positional
    22.3 RAR
    2.2 WAR
    $10.1

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    So what would a ballpark value for his defense be?

    Based on watching him, I know he's been really good defensively, but I didn't know it was this good.

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    It's hard to put a $ figure on one element of his game because players are paid for the overall package. If Crede was the best fielding third baseman in history, but was -30 runs with the bat, he would be worth about zero.

    If he was an average fielding third baseman (0 runs), Fangraphs would estimate that he was worth 10 RAR, and about $4.4. So you could say that he is worth $6.5 more than he would be if he were an average fielder.

    Of course, that is based on his actual performance this year, not his estimated true talent. He's almost certainly not "really" a +23 runs/150 games fielder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandonwarne52 View Post
    Right now at FanGraphs for Joe Crede:

    -0.3 batting
    11.9 fielding
    9.7 replacement
    1.0 positional
    22.3 RAR
    2.2 WAR
    $10.1

    Somebody please translate for a n00b like me.
    Quote Originally Posted by brandonwarne52 View Post
    I mean is his value solely tied to defense here?

    Since his offense is a slight negative, does that mean he's essentially a "10 million dollar defender"?

    I didn't think that was a tough concept.
    I thought you were questioning it.

    I get what you're asking now.

    His defense is worth 11.9 runs which is worth just above 1 win, which is about $4.4 million. The definition of replacement player is roughly an average defender and well below average offensively. Since he's average offensively, a lot of his value comes from there as well (through the positional and replacement values). I don't know if that makes sense.

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    This makes me hate him more.
    Quote Originally Posted by Impaler View Post
    Some posters like yourself don't understand how a single is better then a home run,
    #TWTW

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