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    Best Place For Specific Stats?

    Where are the best places to get each specific stat?

    Win Shares
    VORP
    WARP (any variation)
    EQA
    EQOBP
    ....and any other stat I've left out like that.

    Also, where can someone find bunt base hit data?

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    Win Shares can be found on The Hardball Times. I'd stay away from VORP and WARP, since you're really not going to get any use out of either of them when WAR (which is on Fangraphs) is freely available.

    Actually, all the stats you've listed have fatal flaws to them. Just stick with WAR.
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    Well, for me, it's about learning all of those stats and what they mean.

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    You can find most of all those on BP though.

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    Okay, another question. When do they update these stats?

    Baseball Reference used to only update OPS+ on a season by season basis, now they do it every day with an update that usually shows up here in the Central time zone maybe 8-9 in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandonwarne52 View Post
    Well, for me, it's about learning all of those stats and what they mean.
    Win Shares is Bill James' attempt to attribute a certain number of wins to each player on an individual team. The problem with it is that it undervalues pitchers, uses putouts, assists and errors to measure fielding, and uses Runs Created to evaluate hitting. There's also no "loss shares," but apparently James is beginning to use them.

    VORP is Keith Woolner's measurement of evaluating hitters compared to a "replacement level" player, which he puts at around 80% of league average production. Too high. The positional adjustments he uses undervalue catchers and overrate first basemen, and the model for position players uses basic Runs Created, which is just AB*OBP*SLG.

    WARP is Clay Davenport's Wins Above Replacement Player metric. It's basically VORP with FRAA on a win scale, so it's combining a flawed offensive measurement with a flawed defensive measurement.

    EqA is Equivalent Average. It's a step up from OPS but still not as good as wOBA. It undervalues walks.

    Really, the only statistics that you'll benefit from learning are the ones you find on Fangraphs. IMO the only really useful statistic on BP is EqBRR.
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    On FanGraphs they list the dollar value.

    Is that what the player is worth salary wise in millions of dollars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandonwarne52 View Post
    On FanGraphs they list the dollar value.

    Is that what the player is worth salary wise in millions of dollars?
    Yes, that's exactly right. It's based on a marginal win value that varies from season to season.
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    Baseballreference has great stats

    Our QB > Yours

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    I like BR for splits.

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