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    Quote Originally Posted by papipapsmanny View Post
    yes i do whether "luckier" or not beckett has outproduced lester.
    You're giving me a headache. Please, for the love of God, use some analysis instead of using the ERA argument. This isn't the main MLB forum. This is the Sabermetrics forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by papipapsmanny View Post
    there is a difference between making good contact and no contact. Especially earlier this season when people were making contact they were creaming him.
    Just out of honest curiosity, did you read his entire post, or just the first sentence?


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    Quote Originally Posted by papipapsmanny View Post
    tRA doesnt really show how a pitcher has produced. It just shows really what was supposed to happen or expected to happen.
    How many times does someone have to explain this concept for you to comprehend this? BB data is based off events of actual baseball games in real life....it isn't some made up statistic that just pulls numbers out of mid air.

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    papipapsmanny thinks tRA is based off of Baseball Mogul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quiksilver2491 View Post
    How many times does someone have to explain this concept for you to comprehend this? BB data is based off events of actual baseball games in real life....it isn't some made up statistic that just pulls numbers out of mid air.
    For all the times we've tried to explain DIPS to him, he can't seem to wrap his head around it. It's one thing to dislike DIPS, but it's another thing entirely to dismiss it simply because one can't understand it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quiksilver2491 View Post
    How many times does someone have to explain this concept for you to comprehend this? BB data is based off events of actual baseball games in real life....it isn't some made up statistic that just pulls numbers out of mid air.
    I didnt say it was....

    i used to think that but not anymore
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    Quote Originally Posted by C1Bman88 View Post
    For all the times we've tried to explain DIPS to him, he can't seem to wrap his head around it. It's one thing to dislike DIPS, but it's another thing entirely to dismiss it simply because one can't understand it.
    how am i dismissing it?

    Im saying I don't think it is too great of a stat to use within specific seasons. As in Ill tak a lucky beckett for the season if is ERA is going to be 3 and Lester's is going to be 5. Lucky or not I rather have the 3.00 ERA. I think it is great when you are trading for pitchers, and see where the pitcher's production level should be out, and you can see if the pitcher should regress or improve. And I also think it is great for signing pitchers for the reason I just posted.

    And Yes I completely understand it, its not hard to understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by papipapsmanny View Post
    how am i dismissing it?

    Im saying I don't think it is too great of a stat to use within specific seasons. As in Ill tak a lucky beckett for the season if is ERA is going to be 3 and Lester's is going to be 5. Lucky or not I rather have the 3.00 ERA. I think it is great when you are trading for pitchers, and see where the pitcher's production level should be out, and you can see if the pitcher should regress or improve. And I also think it is great for signing pitchers for the reason I just posted.

    And Yes I completely understand it, its not hard to understand.
    OK, but the point is that Lester has pitched better, not that he's had better results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantes4Life View Post
    OK, but the point is that Lester has pitched better, not that he's had better results.
    Which would meaning going forward he's more likely to have equal or better success than Beckett.

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    Assuming they both pitch the same, yes. Using the regressed form of tRA is probably better for that.

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    Alright it seems that Ks have a lot of influence on tRA. When looking at beckett his k/9 innings is right in line with his career average. While Lester's is way higher than it has ever been. Would it be unreasonable to assume that Lester's k rates will come back down to earth some, meaning that his tRA will also decrease?
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    It would be reasonable to assume his tRA would go down if his K's decreased. But it's not reasonable to assume that Lester's K rate will go down. He's young and it's not out of reason for him to improve.

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    yeah he should improve but that drastically? obviously i like the guy but from 6.5 ks/9 to 10.3 Ks/9 is a big swing upward.
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    Well it's too early to assume anything.

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    I read an article or articles on Umpires a while ago. It had ratings and talked about their efficiency to call strikes that were strikes and balls that were balls etc... I cant find it now. Does anyone have any idea of what im talking about.


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