I kind of like this idea... I imagine it would be hard to implement due to the $$$ that is so closely tied to the "save". I'm sure they could figure out a money system with this though too.
I don't think the stat should be absolved, but I think amending it to encompass a true 'save' of a win for a team would hold more merit.
WPA for relievers all day when it comes to situational helping of the team to win a game.
Randomly, but why hasn't Tyler Clippard signed yet?
Stark picked the lamest argument to debate out of the rest
Well maybe that goes to dugout to dugout netting.
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It's kind of a stupid argument. Yeah, it's kind of a useless stat, but it's not going away. Some of the most useless stats are the most traditional - like pitcher wins, batting average, RBIs, etc - and are still favoured by many writers when handing out awards.
However it's pretty obvious teams with bigger budgets see the value in having a solid pen top to bottom. Relievers in a non-closing role are getting their due anyway, like mentioned Oday, Miller are getting paid. Storen might not be closing as a Jay and is nearly making 9M to pitch 55 innings. That's the problem though - teams on budgets are probably more likely to spend their limited resources on everyday players and starters who are going to pitch 125-200 innings as opposed to a reliever pitching 55-60. It's sort of the last priority for teams on a budget, which is most of the league.
It's always bothered me that there is basically an order managers go by regarding relievers.
If the opponents top hitters are coming up in the 8th, then go with your best guy, which I would imagine would be your closer.
I mean, sure, most teams have more than capable set up men but still, it bothers me that it's just a brainless decision to just automatically go with how it's "supposed to be"....if that makes any sense.
Bases Loaded 1 out... Up 3 in the 6th.... Why not bring in your best arm like your closer? Instead they bring in their 7th inning guys are play right vs left which to me is moronic... Get rid of the stupid save stat and when you are in the most danger you bring in your best pitcher period. Its not possible to do this now because closers get paid by the save and I am sure there are clauses in certain contracts that state save this many games and get this much money. The Notion that the 6th inning isnt as important as the 9th inning is moronic to me... BRING IN YOUR BEST PITCHER WHEN **** IS ON THE LINE.
You can use your middle relievers and play the lefty/righty splits in their favour, with the idea being to get improved results out of a lesser reliever based on favourable matchups. Then when you get to the 9th you can either forget the matchps and go with your closer, or if you've expanded your lead save your closer for the next game.
Baseball is a pitcher's game. Even your teams worst relievers you would expect to get a hold 6-7+ times out of 10, even higher with favourable matchups. Obviously there's a number of other factors at play here -- what relievers are available -- did your closer play in the last 2-3 games? What middle relievers are available? Where is the opponent in their batting order?
And you win about 98% of the time up 3 in the 9th - but you get a save
And you win about 94% of the time up 2 in the 9th - but you get a save
And you win about 86% of the time up 1 in the 9th - but you get a save
3 of the top 5 relievers in WPA last year weren't full time closers
Dellin Betances - 9 saves
Wade Davis - 17 saves
Tony Watson - 1 save
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