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View Poll Results: Article: LeBron James vs. Dwight Howard: Who's the better franchise building block?

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  • Dwight Howard

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    I'm shocked and sickened that Howard is winning this pole. It's NOT EVEN CLOSE. LeBron is clearly the better player of the 2, and people are just being flat ignorant if they think otherwise. I usually think it's ok to have a different opinion, but in this case, you are just wrong. There is only one answer to this poll, LeBron hands down

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    Quote Originally Posted by AIverson View Post
    Looking at this poll, basketball fans still have common sense!

    I'd take Howard because of the rebounding, defense, inside presence and he controls the paint. Big guys>Wing players
    Because LeBron doesn't play D, rebound or block shots...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Young2Kinsler View Post
    Because LeBron doesn't play D, rebound or block shots...
    Big men rule the game, history supports this, experts support this, popular opinion supports this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JordansBulls View Post
    You are right, he won the title in 1991 and 1998 without having another player that was an allstar that year.

    Lebron only had another allstar, 4x DPOY player, 3 former allstars as well on the team, as well as shooters and rebounders on the team.


    Not to mention that he was heavily favorite to win.




    http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009...agic-cavaliers


    In fact only 2 teams that have won 65+ games have not won the title and it was the 2007 Mavs and 1973 Celtics and now the 2009 Cavs.


    These other teams all won the title.

    2008 Celtics
    2000 Lakers
    1997 Bulls
    1996 Bulls
    1992 Bulls
    1987 Lakers
    1986 Celtics
    1983 Sixers
    1972 Lakers
    1971 Bucks
    1967 Sixers


    I don't want to hear this mess that the Cavs weren't supposed to come out of the east. Despite what people say now, there is no way you can prove that the Cavs should not have gotten to the finals especially against a team missing it's star PG.
    Mo Williams made the all-star team as an injury replacement, and anybody who believe he's honestly an all-star player, is out of their minds. He isn't one of the 10 best PG's in the NBA, the only reason he made it to the AS game, was because he was on a team with an outstanding record. He didn't deserve to be there. Ben Wallace is nowhere near the player he was when he won those 4 defensive player of the year awards. Wallace had as much of an impact on the Cavs in this post-season, as Robert Parish did for the Bulls in the 96-97 post-season.

    There have only been a handful of players who have played at the level Lebron has been at in the past two seasons and Dwight Howard isn't one of them.

    Look at it this way: for all of its flaws, PER is a good tool for a comparison because it puts everybody on the same plain for comparison. It adjusts for pace and ultimately compares how far above his peers a player is because it sets the League average to 15 every season. Here is a list of every player that has posted a PER greater than 29 in NBA history:

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...y.cgi?id=azeRR

    There are 6 people on that list more than once: Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Michael Jordan, David Robinson, Shaquille O'Neal and Lebron James.

    In the last two seasons, Lebron has put up at least 28 ppg, 7 rpg and 7 apg with a true shooting percentage of at least 56%. Here is a list of other players who have done that in NBA history:

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...y.cgi?id=OujmI

    Lebron and Oscar Robertson are the only players to have done that multiple times. Bird did it once, Jordan did it once. That's it.

    See what I'm getting at? Lebron is doing some things that very few people in NBA history have been able to accomplish, stuff that is much more convincing and meaningful than anything Howard has done so far in his career. Lebron's doing it consistently, night in and night out for two entire seasons. Tell yourself that Lebron won't be able to keep it up if it makes you sleep better at night, but it doesn't change the fact that Lebron is a better player right now, he's a better franchise building block (He's the best 24 year year old in the history of the NBA), and he has a realistic chance to surpass MJ has the greatest player that has ever lived.
    Last edited by Sox Appeal; 06-01-2009 at 11:23 AM.

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    This is an absurd question and the poll results are like a black eye on PSD posters.

    This isn't about a "dominant guard vs dominant big". This is about a once in a generation type of talent (LeBron) and a good big guy (Dwight). LeBron James will go down as one of the 5 greatest players to EVER play the game (unless injuries happen) and Dwight won't even go down as one of the 5 greatest big men to ever play the game.

    This thread is a direct result of either hatred for LeBron (most Laker fans who voted) or overreaction to a 6-game series.

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    i did not vote because it depends on how you want to build your team you cannot go wrong with either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaiderLakersA's View Post
    All good points, but counterintuitive. Both the Lakers and the Magic have a strong inside game.

    For all of the great things that Jordan did for the game, he is also responsible for the biggest misconception in today's league. He is the exception to the rule, not the rule. The rule states that if you want to win championships in this league, you must build your team around a dominant big man. But don't take my word for it. Check the history. Review every dynasty, every team that has ever won a championship (if not multiple championships) and more often than not you'll find a big man at the heart of that squad...Jordan's Bulls being the only exception.

    1. And LeBron is a Michael Jordan type of talent. He is that rare breed of player that comes along once in a decade or more. Dwight Howard is not Shaq, not Duncan, and probably never will be.

    2. Look at the Lakers this year. Who is their "dominant big guy"? Gasol is nice but he is far from "dominant". Bynum can't even get out of his own way anymore. Odom is a headcase that is in and out of games. If the Lakers win, it is just another example of a team winning without a great big.

    3. Wade carried Miami to a recent title as well. And Shaq was on that team, but he was a shell of his former self and far from dominant.

    4. The NBA has changed. There are not many dominant bigs. That is why we are seeing guards dominate more and more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaysFan View Post
    This is an absurd question and the poll results are like a black eye on PSD posters.

    This isn't about a "dominant guard vs dominant big". This is about a once in a generation type of talent (LeBron) and a good big guy (Dwight). LeBron James will go down as one of the 5 greatest players to EVER play the game (unless injuries happen) and Dwight won't even go down as one of the 5 greatest big men to ever play the game.

    This thread is a direct result of either hatred for LeBron (most Laker fans who voted) or overreaction to a 6-game series.

    like i love you people downing dwight like he not younger than lebron, he can only get better. if orlando wins the title he's already above david robinson who did squat with his team until TIM DUNCAN got there.
    and with the 12th pick, The New York Football Giants select ......Odell Beckham Jr, Wide Reciever from Louisana State University

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    Howard if it's about building a team without worries about marketing right now. However with that huge as smile he has he's definately one of the future puppets of the league LOL. You don't have to run any plays for Dwight and he's still going to get 18+ points and 12+ rebounds a game, not to mention he's the defensive player of the year, and defense wins championships. He's going to alter all the other shots he doesn't block.

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    As stated before me you have to go with the big man and history "clearly" supports that. Not only are you getting your defensive anchor to block shots, get rebounds and be a presense you're also getting easier buckets which means alot less chance of an off night. Granted everyone can have an off night but being a dominate center how hard is it to dunk a basketball? Dwight Howard could be off with his hook shot but since he's directly under the basket you're not going to see 6-20 shooting performances from him. So much more efficient.

    With a defense collapsing around him that leaves everyone else on your team wide open. Watch a Magic game, 99% of the 3's they take are completely wide open. He makes his team better just by his dominance down low. When Lebron has the ball he dribbles around, everyone kinda just watches him, then he drives and creates to the open guy, theres no flow to their offense so its tough to get into any type of rhythm.

    On a side note, how can people say Lebron doesn't have a team? That's just idiotic to me. They won 66 games this year and swept through 2 rounds of the playoffs, you don't win that many games without being a great team simple as that. That just goes to show how good the Magic are, they made a great team in Cleveland look like an average team at best. Savy


    Also, Howard is only 23 and has a great shot at his first NBA title. He can only get better, how many titles do you think he'll have in the next 10 years.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sox Appeal View Post
    Mo Williams made the all-star team as an injury replacement, and anybody who believe he's honestly an all-star player, is out of their minds. He isn't one of the 10 best PG's in the NBA, the only reason he made it to the AS game, was because he was on a team with an outstanding record. He didn't deserve to be there. Ben Wallace is nowhere near the player he was when he won those 4 defensive player of the year awards. Wallace had as much of an impact on the Cavs in this post-season, as Robert Parish did for the Bulls in the 96-97 post-season.

    There have only been a handful of players who have played at the level Lebron has been at in the past two seasons and Dwight Howard isn't one of them.

    Look at it this way: for all of its flaws, PER is a good tool for a comparison because it puts everybody on the same plain for comparison. It adjusts for pace and ultimately compares how far above his peers a player is because it sets the League average to 15 every season. Here is a list of every player that has posted a PER greater than 29 in NBA history:

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...y.cgi?id=azeRR

    There are 6 people on that list more than once: Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Michael Jordan, David Robinson, Shaquille O'Neal and Lebron James.

    In the last two seasons, Lebron has put up at least 28 ppg, 7 rpg and 7 apg with a true shooting percentage of at least 56%. Here is a list of other players who have done that in NBA history:

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...y.cgi?id=OujmI

    Lebron and Oscar Robertson are the only players to have done that multiple times. Bird did it once, Jordan did it once. That's it.

    See what I'm getting at? Lebron is doing some things that very few people in NBA history have been able to accomplish, stuff that is much more convincing and meaningful than anything Howard has done so far in his career. Lebron's doing it consistently, night in and night out for two entire seasons. Tell yourself that Lebron won't be able to keep it up if it makes you sleep better at night, but it doesn't change the fact that Lebron is a better player right now, he's a better franchise building block (He's the best 24 year year old in the history of the NBA), and he has a realistic chance to surpass MJ has the greatest player that has ever lived.

    If he was a better franchise player he would not have just lost having HCA to an inferior team with it's star PG missing. Sure he has great stats, but those stats don't have as much impact as people would like to believe because mainly his stats come as a result of keeping the ball every possession. In 2006 he averaged 31/7/7 and then in FIBA ended up with a bronze medal.
    Some guys put up great numbers and put up great numbers, but their overall impact for the team is different.
    "Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships."
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    Quote Originally Posted by theuuord View Post
    wrong.

    Dwight in two games against Houston this season: 13 points, 9.5 rebounds, .476 FG%

    Yao in two games against Orlando this season: 21 points, 14.5 rebounds, .607 FG%
    Howard has definately grown since then...we hardly saw him demand the ball in crunchtime until now.

    In the postseason, we've seen a different Dwight Howard ever since the Boston series...one that does want the ball in pressure situations.

    That said, I still voted for LeBron...if LeBron has Howards supporting cast his team would be unstoppable.
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    one question:

    somebody just scores 40 points against your team. whose 40 points hurt your team the most. C's? or PF's?

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    im shocked the vote is so close 38 38... lebron hands down the best player... howard has a lot of help... bron not nearly as much....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JordansBulls View Post
    If he was a better franchise player he would not have just lost having HCA to an inferior team with it's star PG missing. Sure he has great stats, but those stats don't have as much impact as people would like to believe because mainly his stats come as a result of keeping the ball every possession. In 2006 he averaged 31/7/7 and then in FIBA ended up with a bronze medal.
    Some guys put up great numbers and put up great numbers, but their overall impact for the team is different.
    have you ever watched LEBRON playing or you are just basing your own opinion on the same stats???

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