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    Quote Originally Posted by bagwell368 View Post
    Never can have too much pitching. Remember corn rows?

    madtnt and I agree - deal Penny to a contender, assuming Dice and Smolz are in good shape. Even if someone else goes downhill later (career numbers say Wake will bite big time in the summer) there is Masterson, or perhaps Buchholz or Bowden.
    As Wakefield's career defender, there's really no evidence backing that. Careerwise, his numbers are pretty much the same across the board and there's no remote sign of a pattern over the last 5 years of him being good or bad in certain months.

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    Well after tonights gagger, Does Penny follow Wang with a DL stint ? More arm strengthing needed ? Im a Big Penny fan but if he keeps this up we might not be able to trade him to the Nationals by mid-summer.
    PS the young arms we have are looking good. ??? Time to drop Lopez ? (he doesnt deserve his own thread,lol)

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    If Bard isn't up in 2 months and Lopez is still there I might personally kick Francona in the nuts for putting him in, in close games and ***** slap Theo for not making a move.

    If Buchholz doesn't get a start over the worthless penny, then Smoltz better be up by then




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    ^^^completely agree
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    Guys...it's April, and Penny has given us 2 quality starts out of 4(both were wins), and he's only making $5M. I'm pretty sure you'll be able to trade him if you want, and even if you can't the Red Sox can easily just eat that contract and release him. It's not a big deal. Besides, Penny didn't lose the game tonight...the defense did. Relax...he's your number 5 starter right now, he's going to have some clunkers.

    Lopez is a little shaky now for sure, but he's really not THAT bad. He's a lefty specialist...it happens. We're not going to win every game.

    As for Bard, to be honest I'd rather wait until September to call him up. That keeps his service clock minimally ticked and gives us another year of control over him. Our bullpen is strong enough right now anyway.

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    [QUOTE]Penny has given us 2 quality starts out of 4(both were wins)/QUOTE]

    Yes, but in his last start against Minnesota, the Twins were making very good contact against him all night. It just seemed like no lead was safe with him tonight, regardless of how early in the season we are.

    [QUOTE]As for Bard, to be honest I'd rather wait until September to call him up. That keeps his service clock minimally ticked and gives us another year of control over him. Our bullpen is strong enough right now anyway./QUOTE]

    I agree. Plus we don't want a repeat of Craig Hansen.

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    I would love to see Penny be the odd man out. I never thought it was a good signing, however you can never have too much good pitching and Boston must have seen something in him. With injuries among the staff, it still may work out. I also would not be against a 6 man rotation of sorts, to help keep these guys arms from wearing down.

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    Maybe the guy in LA was right Penny has a lazy side. just sayin.....

    He looks like a bartender or bar owner or bouncer.....or something to do with drinking. I was honestly expecting more I loved the signing, but he seems to like to hit bats too much. 17.2 innings pitched .....17 earned runs...24 hits? Whoa .....were getting into Wang territory.

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    [QUOTE=YouksBeard;9287030]
    Penny has given us 2 quality starts out of 4(both were wins)/QUOTE]

    Yes, but in his last start against Minnesota, the Twins were making very good contact against him all night. It just seemed like no lead was safe with him tonight, regardless of how early in the season we are.
    I just feel like all we really need him to do is limp home until Smoltz is ready. I'm not looking for him to throw 3-hitters every time out. I think we all should have fully expected the out-of-shape Penny with an NL pedigree to be mediocre in Boston.

    I get it...he hasn't been overwhelming. He doesn't really need to be. He's not going to be facing the other teams' aces. He just needs to give us a reasonable chance to win in about 15 or so starts in order for this signing to be a big success. He's well on his way.

    Quote Originally Posted by postman47 View Post
    I would love to see Penny be the odd man out. I never thought it was a good signing, however you can never have too much good pitching and Boston must have seen something in him. With injuries among the staff, it still may work out. I also would not be against a 6 man rotation of sorts, to help keep these guys arms from wearing down.
    How was it not a good signing? We increased our pitching depth with a guy who once came in 3rd in Cy Young voting for only $5M guaranteed. If he tanks (which he hasn't, so far), we could easily absord that nominal amount of cash...and if he does even mediocre we got him at a great bargain. I fail to see the downside of that deal.

    I'm also opposed to going to a 6-man rotation once the season has started. If you are going to do something like that, I really feel like you need to get your pitchers on that tempo and schedule during Spring Training. Switching them up during the season could greatly mess with their rhythm and balance and could be potentially destructive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil'papi View Post
    Maybe the guy in LA was right Penny has a lazy side. just sayin.....

    He looks like a bartender or bar owner or bouncer.....or something to do with drinking. I was honestly expecting more I loved the signing, but he seems to like to hit bats too much. 17.2 innings pitched .....17 earned runs...24 hits? Whoa .....were getting into Wang territory.
    Heh, maybe. He looks like a partier. He'll always keep one or two "cool" points with me for daring that batboy to drink a gallon of milk in an hour.

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    I agree with you Osia that signing Penny was a good deal. And again, I realize it's very early in the season, but I'm just not sold that he gives us the best chance to win. I know we shouldn't send someone like Buccholz or Bowden out there just yet, but it's so hard to give back these games when we have 4 run leads.

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    Yeah I know it's rough to watch, but it's going to happen. It's going to happen to every other team too. If our bullpen continues to stay strong, we'll hold on to a whole lot more 4-run leads than we surrender. I honestly feel like things are looking pretty good.

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    $5 mil for a guy that started the AS game for the NL a couple years ago is a good deal. If he pitches better that would be great but even if he can't 5 mil isn't much of a loss.

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    Bingo...my point exactly.

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    I don't like Penny. But it is only April. And what did we expect out of Penny anyways? 4 pitchers can't win 20 games on the same roster. They could.. but yeah last time that happened?????

    It's like the boys said. If he keeps us in games and gives us a chance to win until Smoltz comes back, than good enough Penny. Thanks buddy. LoL like man.. he ain't going to win 20 games. He's penciled in at the 4 or 5 spot anyways.

    Buchholz isn't up and Penny still is incase exactly what happened to Clay happened or happens again this year. Clay exceeded too fast with his no hitter. The kid is young, you need to protect him in the minors but only for a certain amount of time. Every young kid is different. And confidence is the biggest thing I think a young kid will need. He won't get it if he wins a game or two in the bigs, then gets rocked for his next 2.

    Give Clay time and don't expect 15-20 wins out of a number 4 or 5 starter. Even though I don't like Penny.

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