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    Quote Originally Posted by DenButsu View Post
    I don't get it....

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    McCain sucks and Obama=god.
    "Compromise, hell! That's what has happened to us all down the line -- and that's the very cause of our woes. If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by blenderboy5 View Post
    McCain sucks and Obama=god.
    I took the "Sometimes I wonder what it would be like if McCain had lost." comment to imply that Mccain was getting too much attention.

    There is a contingent of liberals out there that believe that the media is conservatively biased. Denbutsu sometimes flirts with that notion.

    That's what I took it to mean, but it is still pretty vague.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcoll View Post
    I took the "Sometimes I wonder what it would be like if McCain had lost." comment to imply that Mccain was getting too much attention.

    There is a contingent of liberals out there that believe that the media is conservatively biased. Denbutsu sometimes flirts with that notion.

    That's what I took it to mean, but it is still pretty vague.
    I was thinking that too actually. Or that McCain, one of the most senior Republican senators, was somehow overstepping his boundaries as a senator.

    It's no secret that for most of his life he's been face-****ing the media, but I don't think it's fair to say he gets too much attention. Especially when he's been involved in a lot of across the aisle compromising legislation, and certainly more than the man who beat him campaigning on post-partisanship (see McCain-Feingold, the immigration bill, etc).
    "Compromise, hell! That's what has happened to us all down the line -- and that's the very cause of our woes. If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmthBluCitrus View Post
    I won't disagree that the system certainly has it's drawbacks. But, there's almost never any question as to who is in control. In a parliamentary system -- although it does require cooperation -- you can often end up with the minority party in power because they have the final decisive vote that puts the vote over 50%. I'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing -- but it exists.

    Of course, with the way the filibuster is utilized in the Senate now, the American-style democracy now must rely on a Super-Majority in order to pass any legislation.

    Now, I have to go to the grocery store.
    What I don't understand is why they don't actually filibuster any more? What happened to the days of reading from a phone book?

    If you're going to filibuster, you should actually have to filibuster. Get up on those 80-year old legs and start reading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raidaz4Life View Post
    Reading McCain's comments show what a joke he really is... Republicans should want no part of this bipartisanship bs that Obama is feeding us... this is merely his way of adding the Republicans as a scape goat to this awful plan. McCain needs to get over the fact that Obama and Pelosi aren't going to take the Republicans requests seriously and adding tax cuts to a bill with an immense amount of government spending does not make it any more bipartisan than it would have been otherwise.
    Actually... the tax cuts in this bill are the largest in history. Obama's tax cuts are about 40-50% larger than Bush's tax cuts on a per annum basis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcoll View Post
    I thought the first article gave a pretty good, and fair report of what is happening.

    All of the "Obama tried, but Republicans pissed on his face" stuff is bogus.

    Republicans felt they weren't included, and that the final bill went against some of their conservative values. Opponents are quick to point out that they didn't have this stance when they were the party in power, but hey....as a conservative I'm happy about the new development.

    Obama trying to reach across the aisle was a nice gesture, but it wasn't backed by any substance. Just because you're polite to someone, doesn't mean they have to agree with you.
    And realistically, had the debate been going on through today or tomorrow, would the outcome have changed any? Would the Republicans have cast a single yes vote?

    Aside from delaying the stimulus, nothing would have gotten done by opening up for a third round of debate.
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    This lack of bipartisanship is based on the vote and the talking points of the GOP leadership. The real question of bipartisan involvement requires that one look at the original bill, look at the final bill, and ask yourself, do you really think that the GOP had no involvement. If you think that is true, then you are saying that the Democratic Party is the party of tax cuts and the party that cleaned up a lot of the original bill. So, on behalf of Demcrats, everywhere, I thank you.

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    So when the GOP was in the majority (and when the minority party was still able to do things like introduce amendments), the partisanship on the Hill was the Republican Party's fault.

    And now that the GOP is in the minority, the rampant partisanship is the GOP's fault.

    I think the definition of partisanship is "When the GOP refuses to role over and wants to get some of their agenda done without sucking up to Messiah Obama."

    Because that's the only way it's our fault when we're in the minority and majority.
    "Compromise, hell! That's what has happened to us all down the line -- and that's the very cause of our woes. If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time?"

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    Well, then lets take a look at all this bi-partisan support from the GOP and the Dems based on economic packages for four of the past five Presidents, shall we ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmthBluCitrus View Post
    Well, then lets take a look at all this bi-partisan support from the GOP and the Dems based on economic packages for four of the past five Presidents, shall we ...

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    Very nice chart.

    Funny, I said look at the starting bill and the law as it was passed. I never said a word about introducing amendments. Amendments by both sides tend to be voted down, but, since it is the feeling of the GOP that they don't want to act in any way bipartisan, as shown by the chart from SBC, then I once again thank the GOP for saying that the Democrats are the party of tax cuts, because now, by extension of the vote, the GOP is the party against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmthBluCitrus View Post
    Well, then lets take a look at all this bi-partisan support from the GOP and the Dems based on economic packages for four of the past five Presidents, shall we ...

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    Well that proves that it's Obama and Clinton's fault. They had the audacity to have Democratic majorities in the House and Senate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ari1013 View Post
    Well that proves that it's Obama and Clinton's fault. They had the audacity to have Democratic majorities in the House and Senate.
    Damn them ...

    I blame it on this whole "voting" system we have.

    Edit: Oh, and here's the article from Crooks & Liars that backs up the above chart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ari1013 View Post
    And realistically, had the debate been going on through today or tomorrow, would the outcome have changed any? Would the Republicans have cast a single yes vote?

    Aside from delaying the stimulus, nothing would have gotten done by opening up for a third round of debate.
    Which is why preaching bipartisanship, and "post-partisanship" is stupid.

    It's pointless. There's a reason why they're not all members of the same party.

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