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    Sure, it can change in the future. But, the bill passed now. The actions of Congress is what the voting populace is viewing now. The American people are behind ARRA now.

    What happens in the future will happen in the future -- but public opinion is on the Democratic side right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomsday_Dallas View Post
    So what do you think about the bill?

    I found a better link to summarize all this crap up...

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020100154.html

    I just have time to read 1100 pages, and apparently neither did anybody that voted for this piece of trash.

    The money is scattered all over the place...



    what is a detention trustee?




    Why are we giving money to our own military?



    This really is starting to feel like socialism.
    Well that's the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drucifer View Post
    Well that's the idea.
    Not a very good idea. In terms of trying to stimulate the economy.

    Bush had the right idea. Just give me a check.

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    Yea, checks didn't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmthBluCitrus View Post
    Yea, checks didn't work.
    I don't see how you can say that...

    the economy was booming like the first 6 years of W's presidency...

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    And last summer's stim checks did what exactly?

    This recession has been ongoing since well before then.
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    It did spike GDP in that quarter


    Come to psd where admitted dupes who do nothing but troll the gd and fs forum are free. But man don't you dare mention trolling on someone's wall.

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    And the long-term effects were ... ?

    It didn't work, it's that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -PRIMETIME- View Post
    I don't see how you can say that...

    the economy was booming like the first 6 years of W's presidency...
    Booming? HAHAHAHA!

    We had a recession from 2001 to 2003. Even the most optimistic recounts of the Bush Admin's economic performance claim that Bush's 52-months of job growth show that he had a little over 4 years of growth. But booming? No.

    Take a look at this (from fivethirtyeight.com using data from The Census Bureau):
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5ieXw28ZUp...h/clinton2.PNG

    See that tiny little nub for the Bush II years? Yeah. That's your boom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmthBluCitrus View Post
    And the long-term effects were ... ?

    It didn't work, it's that simple.
    what do you mean it didn't work?

    people got their checks...it worked


    it was never ment to solve all of our economic woes or bail out banks and repair all the bad loans that were made...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ari1013 View Post
    Booming? HAHAHAHA!

    We had a recession from 2001 to 2003. Even the most optimistic recounts of the Bush Admin's economic performance claim that Bush's 52-months of job growth show that he had a little over 4 years of growth. But booming? No.

    Take a look at this (from fivethirtyeight.com using data from The Census Bureau):
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5ieXw28ZUp...h/clinton2.PNG

    See that tiny little nub for the Bush II years? Yeah. That's your boom.
    you're right...

    after 9/11 there was a 2 year slump...

    but he after that things picked right back up and were going good...

    and you are right in that maybe the word "booming" was a bit much...

    let's just say that people still had jobs and all was good for the most part...until the end...

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    Quote Originally Posted by -PRIMETIME- View Post
    what do you mean it didn't work?

    people got their checks...it worked


    it was never ment to solve all of our economic woes or bail out banks and repair all the bad loans that were made...
    Sure, people got their checks -- but, how well did it stave off recession?

    We've been in a recession since December 2007/January 2008 -- the stim checks came out summer 2008. They did nothing to prevent the recession that we were already in, that the economists said we were in, that the administration claimed was an illusion. IIRC, the intention was to eliminate the ability of the recession to proceed/begin/whatever.

    I think the burden of proof is on you to provide us with the information that claims that it "worked."
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    Quote Originally Posted by -PRIMETIME- View Post
    you're right...

    after 9/11 there was a 2 year slump...

    but he after that things picked right back up and were going good...

    and you are right in that maybe the word "booming" was a bit much...

    let's just say that people still had jobs and all was good for the most part...until the end...
    Did you click on that graph? That covers Bush through the end of 2007. So we're not even looking at this 2008-2009 downslide and yet, 50% of the country was worse off by 2007 than they were before 2001. And the other 50% experienced some of the WORST growth in the last few decades.


    Combine that with the 30-40% loss in net wealth that most Americans felt in 2008 and you've got zilch for growth from Bush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmthBluCitrus View Post
    Sure, people got their checks -- but, how well did it stave off recession?

    We've been in a recession since December 2007/January 2008 -- the stim checks came out summer 2008. They did nothing to prevent the recession that we were already in, that the economists said we were in, that the administration claimed was an illusion. IIRC, the intention was to eliminate the ability of the recession to proceed/begin/whatever.

    I think the burden of proof is on you to provide us with the information that claims that it "worked."
    I think that question is impossible to answer but that the checks weren't ment to fix like you are saying...more to just stimulate, or keep people in high spirits...

    and people got checks right after Bush was elected into office his first term...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ari1013 View Post
    Did you click on that graph? That covers Bush through the end of 2007. So we're not even looking at this 2008-2009 downslide and yet, 50% of the country was worse off by 2007 than they were before 2001. And the other 50% experienced some of the WORST growth in the last few decades.


    Combine that with the 30-40% loss in net wealth that most Americans felt in 2008 and you've got zilch for growth from Bush.
    well...alright...

    I think you are kinda getting off topic and going into a debate on Bush and the economy during his time there...

    I was just trying to relate this to getting checks...

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