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    Has anybody read what's in the American Recovery & Reinvestment Act of 2009?

    Anybody on PSD? Has anybody read the bill?

    If your interested in reading it, you can download it here.

    http://appropriations.house.gov/

    Bill Text - Division A
    Bill Text - Division B

    Be advised that these PDF documents are pretty big files and they total 1100 pages.

    (I discovered this by watching Youtube. Yes, I was doing a little research on youtube gcoll)

    Memebers of the House were expected to read this document within 12 hours before voting on it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvnwOjDjnH4
    GOP Leader Boehner Floor Speech Opposing Democrats' Trillion-Dollar Spending Bill (36 seconds)

    I went to his website
    http://johnboehner.house.gov/

    And he has the full video there... This is for you gcoll, because I know how you feel about youtube.

    So what's in the bill exactly? What are spending close to a trillion dollars on? The factof the matter is that not only have you not read the bill... neither have any of the members who passed it... unless they read really fast.


    I found another link to the bill in full text if you don't want to download the pdf documents.

    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1/text

    Makes you wonder what kind of crap they have hidden this bill... Can anybody find a good link that can summarize this bill up on where all the money is going so I don't have to read 1100 pages?

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    Yes, I was doing a little research on youtube gcoll
    This is for you gcoll, because I know how you feel about youtube.
    I like youtube.

    It's just that if someone said "I researched a topic" I would expect more to be involved than watching some clips on Youtube.

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    It will be up on this website, http://www.recovery.gov/, soon. I dont know how soon, but that is the website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcoll View Post
    I like youtube.

    It's just that if someone said "I researched a topic" I would expect more to be involved than watching some clips on Youtube.
    So what do you think about the bill?

    I found a better link to summarize all this crap up...

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020100154.html

    I just have time to read 1100 pages, and apparently neither did anybody that voted for this piece of trash.

    The money is scattered all over the place...

    Detention Trustee

    For an additional amount for ‘Detention Trustee’, $100,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2010.
    what is a detention trustee?


    Military Construction, Army National Guard

    For an additional amount for ‘Military Construction, Army National Guard’, $150,000,000 for readiness centers (including construction, acquisition, expansion, rehabilitation, and conversion), to remain available until September 30, 2013: Provided, That notwithstanding any other provision of law, such funds may be obligated and expended to carry out planning and design and military construction projects in the United States not otherwise authorized by law: Provided further, That within 30 days of enactment of this Act the Director of the Army National Guard shall submit to the Committees on Appropriations of both Houses of Congress an expenditure plan for funds provided under this heading prior to obligation.
    Why are we giving money to our own military?



    This really is starting to feel like socialism.

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    So what do you think about the bill?
    I don't know.

    I've never understood why everything has to be jammed into one bill. The bigger the bill, the easier it is to slip **** in. I'd rather have separate bills for each idea. One for tax cuts, one for infrastructure spending...etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcoll View Post
    I don't know.

    I've never understood why everything has to be jammed into one bill. The bigger the bill, the easier it is to slip **** in. I'd rather have separate bills for each idea. One for tax cuts, one for infrastructure spending...etc.
    that's a good point...

    That's exactly what just happened.

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    All this is is an inflation plan. This is going to drive inflation through the roof. It's the New Deal of the 21st century. All it is is the government handing out money and deepening the Federal Deficit.

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    well i'm not big on the bill, hate that they only gave them that short time to vote. Reneged on their promise to post it for 48 hours. All total BS and a spit in the face to the voters.

    I have no clue why we are building military "readiness center" I have no clue what that is? Maybe something for natural disasters. But it's a bit frightening on that issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodgerphreak View Post
    All this is is an inflation plan. This is going to drive inflation through the roof. It's the New Deal of the 21st century. All it is is the government handing out money and deepening the Federal Deficit.
    Considering we are experiencing deflation right now, if we do start inflating the currency a little, it's a good thing.

    But bear in mind, that would only occur if we simply just start printing up money. We might not do that. Instead, what's more likely is that we issue out T-Bills to raise the capital needed. Other alternatives (that won't happen) are that we increases taxes or decrease other spending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcoll View Post
    I don't know.

    I've never understood why everything has to be jammed into one bill. The bigger the bill, the easier it is to slip **** in. I'd rather have separate bills for each idea. One for tax cuts, one for infrastructure spending...etc.
    We are of one mind on this one b/c this also disturbs me. Why not have one tax bill, one infrastructure bill, one education bill, one "detention trustee" bill and so on. I know. Well at least I think...the repubs have to get back to their constituents and blast the thing and gear up for 2010 and the same holds for the dems they need to go back to their folks and sell baby sell. Even if it's a lemon they gotta sell it. I doubt most of anybody involved even knows what the heck the language in this thing actually means or is. How about the fact that the republican senators that actually voted for it did so on the condition that it did not exceed $800bil. LOL! $800Bil? Why 800bil? What's a few $100 Billion amongst friends?

    I am disappointed that this first effort (and quite possibly the most important effort of our time) at bi-partisanship, transparency, and accountablility has been quite disappointing so far. The way this has unfolded has done much of nothing to build confidence it looks a lot like politics as usual.

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    I see what you're saying there SB -- but, by legislating numerous bills (a tax bill, an infrastructure bill, an education bill, etc ...) you're really tying up the process.

    Instead of having one gigantic piece of legislation that encompasses all of those aspects of the economy you would be breaking it down into pieces -- pieces that could get hacked apart in debates of attrition. This is the economic bill -- it's the largest of it's kind, and it actually includes tax cuts that are larger than Bush's cuts. And, it's only one leg in the stool.

    The next subject of debate is TARP and the financial institutions -- and then the Obama team is introducing what they hope to be a housing "fix."

    Tying up the legislature debating each individual aspect of the stimulus package as individual pieces of legislation is a waste of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmthBluCitrus View Post
    I see what you're saying there SB -- but, by legislating numerous bills (a tax bill, an infrastructure bill, an education bill, etc ...) you're really tying up the process.

    Instead of having one gigantic piece of legislation that encompasses all of those aspects of the economy you would be breaking it down into pieces -- pieces that could get hacked apart in debates of attrition. This is the economic bill -- it's the largest of it's kind, and it actually includes tax cuts that are larger than Bush's cuts. And, it's only one leg in the stool.

    The next subject of debate is TARP and the financial institutions -- and then the Obama team is introducing what they hope to be a housing "fix."

    Tying up the legislature debating each individual aspect of the stimulus package as individual pieces of legislation is a waste of time.
    And generally speaking, more bills actually mean more pork, not less of it.
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    I agree that wasted time is not preferred but I'm speaking in terms of ease-of-use. C'mon gents/ladies 1100 pages of legislation...Who's really reading this? And all that happens is the side with the craftiest speed reader runs through this thing and says 1098 pages of solid legislation but we'll look past that. "Look at these two pages of bad democrat policies and pork barrel spending! This is a joke! This is bad for the American people blah, blah, blah more ideological rhetoric!

    I am largely in favor of some sort of government intervention. I took and tutored Econ 202 (Macro-economics) and I believe that government spending can be used as a tool to spur the economy in situations just as the one we're experiencing. Contrary to what we want to believe perception is reality. Right now the perception that's been created of this bill is that the dems monopolized the process and created a bill laden with inefficient, poorly planned, ridiculously expensive, democrat pet projects. I hear what y'all saying but I just don't see the issue ultimately time has been wasted debating the merits of this bill only for the final vote to fall along part lines anyway. Time has already been wasted needlessly. My preference is get it right now rather than to fix it or try and sell it later. Just my opinion though

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    I just don't think the voting populace views it that way. The approval ratings among Democratic members of Congress is much higher than their Republican counterparts.
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    The approval ratings among Democratic members of Congress is much higher than their Republican counterparts.
    Give it time.

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