Obama signs children's health initiative into law

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The best way to send them is to make them out to cash:

c/o Zep
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I will also accept payment in the form of Dunkin Donuts coffee, so....bonus.

[behindmydesk]

I understand where you are coming from ink. But its' 25 bucks per person here, 40 bucks here 3 bucks here etc. Now granted that is not factoring in corp profits at all. Thank god for Exxon and their 40 billion a year tax contribution.

[behindmydesk]

You know that's one thing I hate about the left, and the general population. They are quick to say look at Exxon making so much money, they dont' say look at how much they are paying in taxes.

I think certain programs should be Insert federal program to help insert something brougth to you by Exxon.

As long as that program isn't anything to do with booze, tankers, or oil spills.

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They are quick to say look at Exxon making so much money, they dont' say look at how much they are paying in taxes.

Funny you should mention Exxon ... they've partnered with a Vancouver-based fuel cell company called Questair to develop an on-vehicle hydrogen production system for use in fuel cell-powered trucks. On their way to becoming the good guys ...

[ari1013]

He claimed that "life" is an inalienable right. If he truly believed that, he would be against abortion, since it prevents a baby from living its life. Also, I am a senior at a public high school, not home schooled. I strongly disagree with the public school system, and think people should pay for school themselves, not depend on Uncle Sam. Free school lunches piss me off even more. You honestly can't afford to pay the $2.10 for lunch? If that's the case the kid should be taken from the home, because they can't be getting fed to well at home. And if the government is going to give away free lunch, they better give it to everyone.

Such hypocrisy from you.

When you have to face the world for yourself you'll see things in a different light. Most Democrats AND Republicans have a completely different set of priorities than 14-18 year old high school kids.

[gcoll]

health is not a privilege... it's part of that whole "LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" thingamajig

No it's not.

You can argue that it's a right, but not based on that. That's not what those mean.

The health care as a right argument belongs in the "liberty vs. security" debate. Which means...you give up a bit of liberty to have the government control and distribute health care.

Oh, you're right. I forgot we had a caste system here in the U.S.

We do. It's called college.

[ari1013]

No it's not.

You can argue that it's a right, but not based on that. That's not what those mean.

The health care as a right argument belongs in the "liberty vs. security" debate. Which means...you give up a bit of liberty to have the government control and distribute health care.

We do. It's called college.

Who says the government has to provide it? Why can't we simply let the government negotiate prices for us to make HC more affordable?

[gcoll]

Who says the government has to provide it? Why can't we simply let the government negotiate prices for us to make HC more affordable?

We can, if we want. But that wouldn't fall under "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness".

But is what you're suggesting, with one giant buyer.....they can have more influence on prices? And you suggest making that buyer the Federal government?

[behindmydesk]

Funny you should mention Exxon ... they've partnered with a Vancouver-based fuel cell company called Questair to develop an on-vehicle hydrogen production system for use in fuel cell-powered trucks. On their way to becoming the good guys ...

no they are just such a great company they know when to make money off a situation.

[ari1013]

We can, if we want. But that wouldn't fall under "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness".

But is what you're suggesting, with one giant buyer.....they can have more influence on prices? And you suggest making that buyer the Federal government?

Yes. When a family buys health insurance they pay less per person than they would if each individual got it alone.

It's much cheaper for the insurance companies to have groups of buyers than individual buyers. That's part of the reason that they're able to charge us less when we buy collectively at our workplaces.

[ari1013]

no they are just such a great company they know when to make money off a situation.

That's my thought. They know that there's probably only a few more decades of profit to be made from oil. So why not get a head start on the next source of energy?

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That's my thought. They know that there's probably only a few more decades of profit to be made from oil. So why not get a head start on the next source of energy?

That's what I was getting at with my comment ... that and they don't want to become the Underwood Typewriters of the energy sector.

[CuseDude87]

We do. It's called college.

And this relates to healthcare how?

As for college being a caste system, there's a reason it's called higher education. There's nothing stopping you from going all the way through high school on federal funding and then earning a scholarship to a college (also free). The difference is basic education should be provided; higher education is up to the individual.

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And this relates to healthcare how?

As for college being a caste system, there's a reason it's called higher education. There's nothing stopping you from going all the way through high school on federal funding and then earning a scholarship to a college (also free). The difference is basic education should be provided; higher education is up to the individual.

Some would argue that a country that wants to compete in the global marketplace would ensure that higher education is provided (or at least made affordable) too. But that's a topic for another thread.

[CuseDude87]

Some would argue that a country that wants to compete in the global marketplace would ensure that higher education is provided (or at least made affordable) too. But that's a topic for another thread.

Haha, of course. I really didn't want to put that in though, because I didn't want to see Brewersin08's reaction. I suppose his response would be something to the effect of, "If you work really hard, regardless of your environment, you'll get in to any college you want" or some other BS.