Last edited by ink; 08-25-2008 at 06:39 PM.
I CANNOT seriously believe that people are saying Michael Moore is worse than Neo-Nazi's. There's a big, BIG difference between people who try to sway OPINIONS using LOGIC and FACT and trying to kill people because they're black/jewish/whatever. Making a movie and lighting a burning stake into somebody's lawn or killing them because of their skin color is so much different. Some people are just trying to be "edgy" and "provacative" just to be those things.
Source: fbi.gov/usatoday.comFBI: Hate crimes escalate 8% in 2006
Updated 11/20/2007 12:54 AM
What is a hate crime?: Congress has defined a hate crime as a "criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender's bias against a race, religion, disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation."
By Marisol Bello, USA TODAY
Hate crimes in the USA increased 8% in 2006, but some groups, including gays, Muslims and people with mental disabilities, experienced larger spikes in attacks, the FBI says.
There were 7,722 hate crimes reported to the FBI in 2006. A hate crime is one motivated by a bias against a person's race, gender or other status.
ON THE WEB: The FBI's 2006 hate crime stats
Some significant increases:
•A 19% increase in crimes motivated by religious bias. Attacks on Muslims increased 22% to 156 last year. Attacks on Catholics increased by almost a third to 76. Almost seven in 10 were crimes against Jews, which were up 14% to 967.
•An 18% increase in crimes against gay men and lesbians to 1,195 in 2006.
•Attacks on people with mental disabilities were up 94% to 62 in 2006.
•Hate crimes against Hispanics were up 10% to 576 incidents.
"Hate crimes impacted a wide range of groups," says Jack Levin, a sociology and criminology professor at Northeastern University in Boston. "It seems as though Americans are more suspicious of any group or members of a group seen as foreign, outsiders or intruders."
Acts against Hispanics have risen by double digits for several years. Now, Levin says, anti-immigrant feelings have extended to other groups, such as Muslims and gays, that may be seen as a threat to mainstream culture.
The number of hate crimes reported in 2007 is likely to grow, Levin says, fostered by the immigration debate, concerns about terrorism and high-profile racial conflicts.
Hate crimes have gotten more attention this year, since six black students at a high school in Jena, La., were charged with attempted murder in the beating of a white classmate.
The beating followed several racial encounters, including one in which white students hung nooses from a tree. That was not reported as a hate crime, partly because the FBI said the evidence did not prove the students were motivated by bias.
Since July, the Justice Department has investigated more than 40 noose hangings in schools and workplaces.
The FBI is the only agency that collects data on hate crimes, but numbers are flawed because victims are often afraid to report crimes and the number of police agencies participating fluctuates, says Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino.
He cites a Bureau of Justice Statistics study that used police reports and surveys of 77,200 households from 2000 to 2003 to estimate that 191,000 hate crimes occur annually.
The Web fuels hate speech
Organized hate groups and individuals alike are using all the tools available on the Internet to celebrate intolerance, to distort historical facts about the Holocaust, to threaten minorities and, most disturbingly, to recruit and indoctrinate young people to their hateful viewpoint. The haters find expression in chat rooms, on Web sites and in audio files.
And now, with the recent advent of so-called Web 2.0 technologies, there is a proliferation of social networking homepages and uploaded "user-generated" videos designed to foster hatred and violence towards Jews and other minorities. Recycled Nazi propaganda films and modern rock music with hate-filled lyrics are sharing space on the Internet.
There even are online games that celebrate the killing of minorities.
And, of course, radical Islam is using the Internet to spread condemnation of Jews (and by association, because of its support of Israel) the United States. A virtual Jihad is underway.
Likewise, with few exceptions, governments have not made fighting online hate a priority. The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe held a conference in 2004 focused on online anti-Semitism and xenophobia, adopting a series of high-minded resolutions, most of which have gathered dust on the shelf, with little government action.
A notable exception is Germany, which finances the Jugendschutz organization to investigate and counter online hate speech with education.
well ink..not to sound insensitive but... 8000 hates crimes in a country with over 300 million jews, catholics, chinese, mormons, blacks, muslims, arabians, homosexuals, transsexuals, baptists, atheists, rednecks, metrosexuals, Europeans, illegal immigrants, legal immigrants, polish, russians, cubans, hispanics and whites doesnt seem like a real big issue to me
and it was a big surprise to "only" see 156 attacks on muslims here... and only 76 attacks on catholics? ..i figured a lot more priest bashing was going around lol
i would think peoples slow methodical release of rights "freedom of speech, freedom to assemble" would be a much more important issue than a few idiots who are intolerant and do harm based on "personal dislikes"
Last edited by Doc Fluty; 08-25-2008 at 07:26 PM.
2) Comparing your average neo-nazi to Moore, Moore's worse for our society.
3) Ink: From what I've read you are advocating thought crimes and mind control based on the majority will
"Compromise, hell! That's what has happened to us all down the line -- and that's the very cause of our woes. If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time?"
RIP Jesse Helms
blender is talking about the "average" neo-nazi ...the average one doesnt rape and kill, he sits around getting pissed off when he watches obama on tv... but doesnt do much about it
http://www.cambriapress.com/cambriap...late=4&bid=138The Internet has provided hate groups with a relatively easy and cost-effective way to make their rhetoric of hatred available to an audience of millions. Realizing the Internet’s communication potential, hate groups have posted an increasing number of online “hate sites,” websites containing content that disparages a particular class of people. As the number of Internet hate sites has increased, the U.S. government has been called upon to ban these controversial websites.
This comprehensive study explores whether there is a First Amendment basis for regulating U.S.-based hate sites. It identifies the various First Amendment tests developed by the federal courts for assessing the constitutionality of both non-mass-mediated hateful speech and Internet content, then examines a sample of U.S.-based hate sites to ascertain whether they contain constitutionally proscribable content under those standards.
The study is unique in that it examines websites maintained by several different kinds of U.S.-based hate groups: Ku Klux Klan, neo-Nazi, racist Skinhead, Christian Identity, Black separatist, neo-Confederate, White conservative, and pro-Jewish.
Untangling the Web of Hate: Are Online “Hate Sites” Deserving of First Amendment Protection? is a valuable resource for anyone seeking to learn more about the content and constitutionality of Internet hate sites.
Last edited by ink; 08-25-2008 at 08:01 PM.
Sweet. So the 8,000 plus hate crimes are what? That's 8,000 people directly affected, but like 50,000 friends/family members are affected too. But you guys are right, making a movie is much worse than killing a mentally ********/black/jewish/whatever person. I'd much rather have my kids kill black people than make movies, you guys are right.
so ink... in your opinion
are you saying you support that if someone is putting out pamphlets with hate or handing out fliers that say something like... "get rid of the gays before your son comes home with a boyfriend!" ...you would support taking away their rights to voice their opinion?
would you allow the KKK to hold public rallys?
what rights do you suppose are flexible based on morals?
(notice im not bashing you, or voicing my opinion... just asking a real question)
Last edited by Doc Fluty; 08-25-2008 at 07:59 PM.
It's simple. If you try to proliferate hateful/angry material against a certain group of people (gays, jews, blacks, w/e), it's HATE SPEECH. What don't you people understand?
but after thinking for a moment i guess i too have some flexible views as it comes to rights...
for instance i support the gubnent to tap phones and check back account based on verifiable "suspicious activities" such as large bank transfers from countries that dont like us..