Last edited by b1e9a8r5s; 08-18-2008 at 11:53 AM.
Of course there can be a winner. One of the biggest questions about Obama is can he lead and these forums show what he's got and he has to preform well. Of course this wasn't a debate but as of right now round 1 goes to McCain.lol they can not be a winner or loser
it wasnt about issues it was about faith
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so much for seperation of church and state.. now we're having Faith Based Interviews and Discussion Forums?
oh my god! did you hear? Alex Rodriguez left a floater and didn't do a double flush!!! someone alert the media this must be news!
Case in point: The vast majority of pro-lifers support execution. (Proving the whole "pro-life" moniker false, btw, but that's a different discussion). Furthermore, nearly all of them have a religious (and usually Christian) moral basis for holding their anti-abortion beliefs. In a nutshell, "Thou shalt not kill". Yet, clearly, their moral ambiguity is just as great as any pro-choicer who opposes the death penalty. They're still wresting the power that their own God reserved for himself ("Judgment is mine") from out of his hands and claiming that they should be able to kill convicted criminals. And most pro-lifers also support war in many circumstances, which not only claims lives but claims innocent lives. So for either side to claim exclusive holding rights to the moral high ground when it comes to these decisions is pretty much bull****. It's just that one side does it a little more than the other.
Right now, pro-life groups are trying to make the most of the "pay scale" quote by endlessly repeating that one sentence. And that's no surprise - that's just politics. But if you look at what Obama actually said (and this is only some of it), he actually gave a thoughtful answer which a) was respectful to those who disagree, b) acknowledged (unlike McCain) that there is more than one side to the issue, and c) proposed to (unlike Bush or McCain) actually DO SOMETHING as president to reduce the number of abortions taking place:
"For me, the goal right now should be, and this is where I think we can find common ground - and by the way I've now inserted this into the Democratic Party platform - is how do we reduce the number of abortions? Because the fact is that although we've had a president who is opposed to abortion over the last eight years, abortions have not gone down. And that I think is something that we have to ask ourselves...
I am in favor, for example, of limits on late term abortions if there is an exception for the mother's health. Now, from the perspective of those who are pro-life, I think they would consider that inadequate. And I respect their views. I mean, one of the things I've always said is that on this particular issue, if you believe that life begins at conception, and you are consistent in that belief, then I can't argue with you on that. Because that is a core issue of faith for you. What I can do is say, 'Are there ways that we can work together to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies so that we actually are reducing the sense that women are seeking out abortions?'"
Alright, you got me, I over simplified a complex issue.
One thing I will say is that Obama SAYS he's for limits on late abortions but his record doesn't prove that out.
I will concede to you that the title of pro-life is very deceiving because I for one do not support protecting life under all circumstances.... I am more pro choice by label in the sense that i feel every individual has a choice of what they want to do with their OWN life and obviously infants are not getting that choice. But on the flip side if a criminal has made up in his mind that life is so meaningless that he may take the life of another person unprovoked, then I believe he has forfeited his own life. But Den we will have to agree to disagree but technically if I think about it I am more pro choice than pro life.
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maybe obamas talking points were answering questions about stem cell research and abortion.