Gover Clever Alexander
Matt Harvey - 8-2; 2.37 ERA; 94 K's; 76.0 Inning.
Ryan or Seaver
Why is Ryan winning?
Tom Glavine does not deserve to be a nominee.
"We're snakebitten, baby." --Fred Wilpon
Lefty Grove. Walter Johnson is the only guy who can match him. Clemens 3rd. Ryan ranks around 25th all-time.
not a very good list, but its a cosmic joke that Ryan & Koufax are tied for #1 while RC, RJ. GM, BG, and Pedro have less total votes then either single guy.
Because you are looking at raw stats? The NL in his time was like an ice age similar more to the dead ball era then anything seen since 1920. His park offered a huge home advantage. His team also features two other overrated SP's that made the HOF.
I'm not saying Koufax wasn't great. He was, he is in the top 12 since 1925, but #1? With those amount of innings pitched? PM, RJ, RC, GM, BG, TS, LG, BF - all greater.
And his teammates Sutton and Drysdale do not belong in the HOF. Just look at the ERA+, DERA numbers. Blyleven was much better then either one. But because nobody thought about park corrections then, they get in the HOF.
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johnson dominated in the steroid era
Johnson is arguably the best lefty ever in the mlb
There are 21 votes for Nolan Ryan!?!?
He shouldn't even be on the poll. Under no circumstances is he even top 20 of all-time and EVERY baseball analyst would agree.
I always go with Walter Johnson here. Lefty Grove, Christy Mathewson, Maddux, R. Johnson, and Seaver are others I'd put up there.
Clemens is gone for me. Not so much the simple fact that he 'roided, but the fact that a significant portion of his stats (especially the "impressive" ones) came from years where he was likely using -- about 1996 on, IMO. Without steroids, I just don't think he holds a candle to the best ever (unlike Bonds, who may very likely have been top 5 even without them, but I digress).
For peak, Pedro, Koufax, and Gibson deserve mention.
how does nolan ryan have 21 votes?
whoever voted for him, have you done any research on him?
500 career pitcher and a win % less than that of his teams.