I see we need to go back to the accomplishments argument that we put to bed months ago during the primaries. If I must to shut up ridiculous, pointless rants like the one you're on:
here's his bio that is available for you to check for yourself, since it seems you read his book and claim to research. Although I doubt this since you rely solely on Rush talking points.
phx.. you are the biggest spin machine in here
what bio are you talking about?
what does any of this have to do with rush or hannity?
talk about republicans cant spin that he doesnt have any acomplishments? HE DOESNT how can you spin that... ok... cmon what has he done?
cmon both of you..
in his 143 days as a senator before declaring seeking the presidency what did he get done ?
and im not talking "puting his name on someone elses bill" ..but his own bill
Begin your spin now...
Last edited by Doc Fluty; 08-14-2008 at 04:14 PM.
So you can call the people who were initially against the war "pot smoking hippie liberals" all you want. I prefer to call them people who wanted clear evidence that a war was necessary because it starts. In other words, rational people. Something the Republican party would know nothing about considering so many of its members believe in Creationism.
Last edited by Prior22; 08-14-2008 at 04:13 PM.
mccain's "war hero" status doesnt make him any more qualified that obama's opinion that we shouldnt go to war. Im sure you could find plenty of people who have fought bravely in wars and im sure you can find plenty of people that didnt agree with iraq.
daniel Akaka (D-HI Jeff Bingaman (D-NM Barbara Boxer (D-CA); Robert Byrd (D-WV); Lincoln Chafee (R-RI); Kent Conrad (D-ND); Jon Corzine (D-NJ Mark Dayton (D-MN); Dick Durbin (D-IL); Russ Feingold (D-WI); Bob Graham (D-FL); Daniel Inouye (D-HI); Jim Jeffords (I-VT); Ted Kennedy (D-MA); Patrick Leahy (D-VT); Carl Levin (D-MI); Barbara Mikulski (D-MD; Patty Murray (D-WA); Jack Reed (D-RI); Paul Sarbanes (D-MD); Debbie Stabenow (D-MI); the late Paul Wellstone (D-MN); Ron Wyden (D-OR).
and 126 house members
Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii);Tom Allen (D-Maine).[p] Joe Baca (D-California}; Brian Baird (D-Washington DC); John Baldacci (D-Maine) now Governor of Maine; Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin); Gresham Barrett (R-South Carolina); Xavier Becerra (D-California); Earl Blumenauer (D-Oregon); David Bonior (D-Michigan) retired from office; Robert Brady (D-Pennsylvania); Corinne Brown (D-Florida); Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio). [p] Lois Capps (D-California); Michael Capuano (D-Massachusetts); Benjamin Cardin (D-Maryland); Julia Carson (D-Indiana); William Clay, Jr. (D-Missouri); Eva Clayton (D-North Carolina) retired from office; James Clyburn (D-South Carolina); Gary Condit (D-California) retired from office; John Conyers, Jr. (D-Michigan); Jerry Costello (D-Illinois); William Coyne (D-Pennsylvania) retired from office;Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland). [p] Susan Davis (D-California); Danny Davis (D-Illinois); Peter DeFazio (D-Oregon); Diana DeGette (D-Colorado); Bill Delahunt (D-Massachusetts); Rosa DeLauro (D-Connecticut); John Dingell (D-Michigan); Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas); Mike Doyle (D-Pennsylvania); John Duncan, Jr. (R-Tennessee). [p] Anna Eshoo (D-California); Lane Evans (D-Illinois); Sam Farr (D-California); Chaka Fattah (D-Pennsylvania); Bob Filner (D-California) Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts); Charles Gonzalez (D-Texas);Luis Gutierrez (D-Illinois). [p] Alice Hastings (D-Florida); Earl Hilliard (D-Alabama) retired from office; Maurice Hinchey (D-New York); Ruben Hinojosa (D-Texas); Rush Holt (D-New Jersey); Mike Honda (D-California); Darlene Hooley (D-Oregon); John Hostettler (R-Indiana); Amo Houghton (R-New York) Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-Illinois Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-Texas); Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas); Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D-Ohio); Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio); Dale Kildee (D-Michigan); Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (D-Michigan
all of these people voted against the war also, even some republicans... so **** it why not just line them all up to take turns at being president since they made one decision
they all have more credentials than obama... and have that same 1 vote
whats the difference between them and obama?
notice obamas name not there? because he wasn't a senator!
he didnt "go it alone" he had about 150 members of the house agreeing with him... or him with them
Last edited by Doc Fluty; 08-14-2008 at 04:32 PM.
Hey...I also did not vote for the war and I would also represent a "change", therefore...
...I fully expect all of your support for "Eastside Scott in 2008, hey he ain't Bush either".
Obama has also said repeatedly that while he would have voted against the war in 2002 based on what he knew at the time, he could not be sure that classified intelligence reporters made available to senators wouldn't have changed his mind.
Yet Obama has voted for all of the president's war funding requests since coming to the Senate, and is poised to vote in favor of the latest request when it comes to the Senate floor this spring.
see he didnt even know all the facts... because he wasnt in the loop... and then said if he knew somethings he didnt, that it could have changed his mind... what a douche.. bragging on how he opposed the war from the git go but saying that had he known some inside info that maybe he would have changed his mind
Here's a good site that the McCain campaign uses for speech research. Look under legislation if you need to:
Fact is Obama has been against the Iraq war. It has been proven to be based on poor, false intelligence. Facts. that's called judgement when it matters most.
colin powell, the man the administration had present the "intelligence" to the UN even says they were incorrect and that the war was poorly planned and ego driven. FACTS.
and thats it... it talks about he then went on and "fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised" and "he traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world."His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent. He has also been the lead voice in championing ethics reform that would root out Jack Abramoff-style corruption in Congress.
but thats it.. no more laws, no bills no nothing.. he helped passed one bill with tom coburn and then "fought" and "traveled" lol
Last edited by Doc Fluty; 08-14-2008 at 05:35 PM.