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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastside Scott View Post
    When every post one makes is complaining about how terrible things are here, while defending and lauding Russia and France at any opportunity, that could be construed as being anti-American. Just some friendly advice, in case you do not realize the impression that leaves.

    America is not the President. America does not do everything wrong. America does not do only the things the President says. America is the greatest country in the world. You need only look at how many people are leaving a country versus how many are coming in to see what the rest of the world actually thinks about that country's policies and quality of life.
    as I've clarified several times, negative sentiment towards this failed administration is always spun into antiamerican sentiment by the neo cons. i don't have a single anti-american feeling nor have I made and single anti american remark, anti failed bush administration, damn right

    Also, show me one post where I defended and lauded France or Russia? keep spinning, cause I know you can't find the words in my type.

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    yeah our economy is ****ed....

    thats why we have the richest poor people in the world... whats other countries poorest people have:

    1. at least a car or two
    2. a welfare system if they have kids
    3. food stamps if you cant afford food
    4. section 8 homes you can get for $25 a month
    5. cable tv, hot water, windows and a baseline standard of living.
    6. cell phones
    7. medical care (i dont know where people get the poor no healthcare, walk into any hospital with your arm cut off or get in a accident and they at least get you stable)
    8. all sorts of benefits and programs to at least HELP you if your homeless
    9. free education and vaccines for children (even illegal immigrants)
    10. organizations like the savation army where you can get free clothes and school supplies
    11. safe streets (where if you are attacked police will come and assist you)
    12. a fire dept that will be there in less than 5 minutes in case you wanna jump off a building
    13. mcdonalds, burger king, subway... and many other places you can get entire meals for under 2-3-4-5 dollars

    go to mexico, peru, any place in africa... even places in europe and the poor live in buildings with no windows, lights and dirt roads and some prolly never even seen a microwave

    so many people are just ****ing ungrateful
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHX-SOXFAN View Post
    as I've clarified several times, negative sentiment towards this failed administration is always spun into antiamerican sentiment by the neo cons. i don't have a single anti-american feeling nor have I made and single anti american remark, anti failed bush administration, damn right

    Also, show me one post where I defended and lauded France or Russia? keep spinning, cause I know you can't find the words in my type.
    As I said, this is the impression that I get from your posts across this forum. Secifically the thread about Russia/Georgia. It is my impression, if you wish to view that as my problem that is absolutely fine with me. I feel quite certain that I am not the only one that gets that impression, but I also feel quite certain that you will not feel that anyone has a qualified opinion and will instead use the words "spin" and "neo-con" a lot without actualy adressing anyone's points.

    Please feel free to completely ignore my posts if name-calling and ignoring of all relevant points is the other option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Fluty View Post
    yeah our economy is ****ed....

    thats why we have the richest poor people in the world... whats other countries poorest people have:

    1. at least a car or two
    2. a welfare system if they have kids
    3. food stamps if you cant afford food
    4. section 8 homes you can get for $25 a month
    5. cable tv, hot water, windows and a baseline standard of living.
    6. cell phones
    7. medical care (i dont know where people get the poor no healthcare, walk into any hospital with your arm cut off or get in a accident and they at least get you stable)
    8. all sorts of benefits and programs to at least HELP you if your homeless
    9. free education and vaccines for children (even illegal immigrants)
    10. organizations like the savation army where you can get free clothes and school supplies
    11. safe streets (where if you are attacked police will come and assist you)
    12. a fire dept that will be there in less than 5 minutes in case you wanna jump off a building
    13. mcdonalds, burger king, subway... and many other places you can get entire meals for under 2-3-4-5 dollars

    go to mexico, peru, any place in africa... even places in europe and the poor live in buildings with no windows, lights and dirt roads and some prolly never even seen a microwave

    so many people are just ****ing ungrateful
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Fluty View Post
    yeah our economy is ****ed....

    thats why we have the richest poor people in the world... whats other countries poorest people have:

    1. at least a car or two
    2. a welfare system if they have kids
    3. food stamps if you cant afford food
    4. section 8 homes you can get for $25 a month
    5. cable tv, hot water, windows and a baseline standard of living.
    6. cell phones
    7. medical care (i dont know where people get the poor no healthcare, walk into any hospital with your arm cut off or get in a accident and they at least get you stable)
    8. all sorts of benefits and programs to at least HELP you if your homeless
    9. free education and vaccines for children (even illegal immigrants)
    10. organizations like the savation army where you can get free clothes and school supplies
    11. safe streets (where if you are attacked police will come and assist you)
    12. a fire dept that will be there in less than 5 minutes in case you wanna jump off a building
    13. mcdonalds, burger king, subway... and many other places you can get entire meals for under 2-3-4-5 dollars

    go to mexico, peru, any place in africa... even places in europe and the poor live in buildings with no windows, lights and dirt roads and some prolly never even seen a microwave

    so many people are just ****ing ungrateful
    Great point for all those who think the US is so evil.

    A friend of mine recently went to El Salvador. He bought a Corona beer for $5.00. He said that was equivalent to the daily salaray of the person who sold it to him. How many poor people in American make $5.00 a day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG7 View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeHpXffvGvY

    This should pretty much decide the election. Can't see how a candidate can recover from this.
    He'll just do what Obama does, change his positiion and pretend he never said it. And just like Obama, I'm sure the press won't challenge him on it.

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    ok let me rephrase what i said about why we have the richest poor people in the world..

    what i SHOULD have said was... we have the richest poor people in the history of the planet!

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    Good thinking McSame!



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    Quote Originally Posted by BG7 View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeHpXffvGvY

    This should pretty much decide the election. Can't see how a candidate can recover from this.
    I don't see how this will hurt him all that much.

    Although I dislike the comparisons going on between Russia in Georgia, and the US in Iraq.

    I especially dislike how there seem to be people more willing to give Russia the benefit of the doubt, than the US.

    Russia is the personification of every bad opinion that liberals have of the United States. (I don't mean to generalize, but this is as simple as I can make that point)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Fluty View Post
    ok let me rephrase what i said about why we have the richest poor people in the world..

    what i SHOULD have said was... we have the richest poor people in the history of the planet!
    awesome? just cause the US is the best doesnt mean its successful. the goal should be to have no poor people at all not just to have the richest poor people.

    the us shouldnt settle they keep helping the poor.

    but i dont think the point was that poor people in the us have it bad but its just poverty is increasing in the us. and u might have the richest poor but u still gotta a lot of poor compared to other countries (norway, sweden) and the unemployment rate is higher than a lot of countries

    also many sociologists and government officials believe poverty is understated, NPR states that 30% of americans can barely make ends meet.


    isnt it weird to be proud of how good ur poor people are? if not then be proud that u have lots of good off poor people
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastside Scott View Post
    There are so many threads going around here about how terrible the US is
    Really? Care to provide some links? I seem to have missed those...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Fluty View Post
    ok let me rephrase what i said about why we have the richest poor people in the world..

    what i SHOULD have said was... we have the richest poor people in the history of the planet!


    No matter how you phrase it, it's simply not true.



    Among all the major developed countries, the U.S. is the one that most closely resembles a "3rd world" economic distribution, with the largest percentage of wealth concentrated in the hands of the smallest percentage of the population, and with the highest percentage of its population living under the poverty line:

    At 12.7% in 2004 (up from 12.5% in 2003), the United States has the highest poverty rate in the developed world. Poverty in the United States is strongly connected to race and ethnicity. African Americans, Hispanic Americans, and American Indians and Alaska natives were three times more likely to live in poverty than white Americans. (See Table 6.2.)

    At the same time, the gap between the rich and the poor continues to grow. Income statistics from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities show that the poor are separated from the upper class by an especially wide margin in certain U.S. states, including Arizona, New York, Tennessee, and Texas. (See Table 6.3.) The United States is home to the greatest number of billionaires: 374 of the world's 691 billionaires were from the United States, according to Forbes magazine's 2005 list of the richest people in the world. Scott Klinger addressed this disparity on the AlterNet Web site in "The Cavernous Divide" (http://www.alternet.org/story/21544 March 21, 2005). Klinger argues that low corporate taxes, government investment of public money into technology that benefits the upper classes, and a stagnant minimum wage help to explain the chasm between rich and poor in the United States, with Wal-Mart serving as a prime example:

    Some billionaires' fortunes rest upon paying their employees poverty wages. Such is the case for the Walton family (numbers 10 through 14 on the Forbes list.) Wal-Mart is the largest private employer in the world. Many of its U.S. workers are so poorly paid that they must rely on food stamps and other forms of public assistance to get by. Such forms of government aid represent an indirect government subsidy to corporations whose business model does not include paying employees enough to live on.
    In his article "37 Million Hidden in the Land of Plenty" (London Guardian, February 19, 2006), Paul Harris observes that the majority of America's poor do work regularly, but low wages and a lack of benefits keep them in relative poverty: "Even families with two working parents are often one slice of bad luck—a medical bill or factory closure—away from disaster. The minimum wage of $5.15 an hour has not risen since 1997 and, adjusted for inflation, is at its lowest since 1956." Harris also points to the social problems associated with being poor in the United States: "In America, to be poor is a stigma. In a country which celebrates individuality and the goal of giving everyone an equal opportunity to make it big, those in poverty are often blamed for their own situation."
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    And now conservatives will be poised to jump on me for "bashing America" or some other foolish nonsense like that, which couldn't be further from the truth. Because "America" is not equal to "the failed economic policies of Ronald Reagan and George Bush" that created the vast disparity of income that exists in the U.S. To say that new policies need to be enacted is not to criticize the nation, it's only to criticize the "leaders" who have failed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kazzy4080 View Post
    awesome? just cause the US is the best doesnt mean its successful. the goal should be to have no poor people at all not just to have the richest poor people.

    the us shouldnt settle they keep helping the poor.

    but i dont think the point was that poor people in the us have it bad but its just poverty is increasing in the us. and u might have the richest poor but u still gotta a lot of poor compared to other countries (norway, sweden) and the unemployment rate is higher than a lot of countries

    also many sociologists and government officials believe poverty is understated, NPR states that 30% of americans can barely make ends meet.


    isnt it weird to be proud of how good ur poor people are? if not then be proud that u have lots of good off poor people
    You sir are a socialist

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    are you serious?

    the majority of America's poor do work regularly, but low wages and a lack of benefits keep them in relative poverty
    ok the US has a 5.5% unemployment rate.. do you want to know other countries? germany is happy with a 7.5% and s it countries like spain and france and a lot would LOVE to get down to 10%

    what benefits are they lacking? not driving a Mercedes? (which some do thanks to low lease rates lol)

    you telling me if their child gets a fever then they can not go to the hospital and get INSTANT help?

    you telling me that even the lowest paid people do not have access to a retirement plan? or if they get injured on the job? social security, 401k, and other programs take care of that

    you saying that poor people in other countries can go get a plasma tv rent-a-center style for like $20 a week?

    you telling me the homeless people in other countries have the protection they are afforded here? hell there is a city in LA that is getting sued for kicking homeless people out of its park lol

    you realize that Home Depot, Lowes, Wal-mart and more can now be SUED if they dont have bathroom and shade facilities foe illegal immigrants that stand out on front of the buildings?

    http://www.knbc.com/news/17183208/detail.html

    illegals!! get rights... show me another country that would demand its largest companies to provide shelters that must be easily accessible and include drinking water, bathrooms, tables, seating and trashcans for illegal immigrants...An example of the continued, bone-headed recklessness of illegal alien sanctuary zealots who continue to subsidize and sponsor systemic undermining of our immigration laws, sovereignty, and security.

    yeah yeah.. a lot of people are below the poverty line.. but that line is miles ahead of other countries..
    Last edited by Doc Fluty; 08-16-2008 at 03:02 PM.

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    what difference does it make? you think poverty will end if barack is elected or will he just create more incentive not to work? If people would just get educated, we wouldnlt have to worry about these things.

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