Where do you get your information?

[SmthBluCitrus]

BBC America, bbc.com, NPR, MSNBC, NBC News, ABC News, NY Times, NYTimes.com, the Des Moines Register, desmoinesregister.com, usatoday.com, fox news (rarely), Yahoo! news, WOW-FM (Conservative talk radio, Des Moines), bleedingheartland.com

[carson005]

Colbert Report and PSD Glenn Beck too

[gcoll]

The Daily Show is biased.

I've often thought it may be a product of Bush being a Republican and him being the guy in office...but it's more than that if you pay attention.

Watch the way Stewart conducts an interview with a Republican, or a supporter of Bush. He goes on the offensive...and if he gets called on anything he hides behind "Hey...I'm just a comedian"

[DenButsu]

The Daily Show is biased.

I've often thought it may be a product of Bush being a Republican and him being the guy in office...but it's more than that if you pay attention.

Watch the way Stewart conducts an interview with a Republican, or a supporter of Bush. He goes on the offensive...and if he gets called on anything he hides behind "Hey...I'm just a comedian"

Well, Stewart does ridicule Obama sometimes:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...=obama-in-iraq

But, you could always watch The 1/2 Hour News Hour. It's really funny, too.


The difference between Daily/Colbert and Fox (other than the obvious fact that one is "news" programming and the other is "entertainment" programming) is that Stewart and Colbert make no claim of NOT being biased. They're on freakin' comedy central, not a network whose slogan is "fair and balanced".

It's exactly Fox's pretension of being objective that opens them up to criticism of being biased.

[OnWisconsin2007]

To add, DenButsu, it makes me sick to think of that channel. Literally every time I watch it and they talk about Obama, they have an extremely negative spin on whatever he's involved in. "Obama in the Middle East : Bad decision?", or "Is Obama flip-flopping", ******** like that. After they come back from their Viva Viagra and John McCain commercials, they'll have some "expert" come on and convince the masses that Obama is wrong, to which O'Reilly will throw out some BS facts and talk in his arrogant, pompous voice. I can't stand that channel, it's so ridiculous.

[gcoll]

Denbutsu, I'd rather gouge out my own eyes than watch the half hour news hour.

Well, Stewart does ridicule Obama sometimes

That wasn't criticizing Obama, that was making fun of the media's reaction to Obama.

They have made fun of Obama though.

It's exactly Fox's pretension of being objective that opens them up to criticism of being biased.

I don't think that's it.

I think it's the fact that they lean to the right, when every other channel leans to the left. I mean...the complaints about Fox come mostly from the left. Similar complaints the right has about the rest of the media.

[DenButsu]

Similar complaints the right has about the rest of the media.

You think the left doesn't have complaints about the rest of the media?

The idea that CNN et al is a "liberal media" is just false. Liberals are the most vocal in their criticism of Fox because Fox is the most blatant and eggrerious example - I mean they literally take their marching orders from the White House. But the other major networks definitely allow their news dockets to be defined at least in part by the continuous drumbeat of propoganda coming out of Fox. More than this, they're simply sensationalist, which is something that sometimes (as in the case of the Middle East/Europe trip) might help Obama, but much more often (as in Rev. Wright, Somalian Muslim wear, regurgitation of attack ads which are designed to grab the attention of and be promoted by the media, the flag pin crap, the no-hand-over-heart crap, don't think I need to continue here) hurts him.

And that's just the fluff.

When it comes to real issues, Obama's every move gets heavy media scrutiny, while McCain can blunder and gaffe away with it essentially being dismissed as "that ol' maverick being kind of cute again". If Obama had made even a small fraction of the foreign policy blunders that McCain has made - the "Iraq-Pakistan border", "Iran is providing aid to Al Qaeda", etc. - he would have been absolutely crucified. He has to be 10 times better as a candidate just to break even.

[DenButsu]

But more importantly than ^all that...

I'd rather gouge out my own eyes than watch the half hour news hour.

[gcoll]

You think the left doesn't have complaints about the rest of the media?

I'm sure they do. But the "bias" part.

I mean they literally take their marching orders from the White House

I call bull **** on that one though. I've heard it alleged twice, but never backed up with any kind of solid information.

More than this, they're simply sensationalist

agreed.

When it comes to real issues, Obama's every move gets heavy media scrutiny, while McCain can blunder and gaffe away with it essentially being dismissed as "that ol' maverick being kind of cute again".

That is a 100% fair evaluation of the situation. Come on.

the "Iraq-Pakistan border"

Do you think he might have meant "Afghanistan"? Or do you actually think that Mccain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan?

"Iran is providing aid to Al Qaeda"

Yeah..that one. Not sure about that one.

he would have been absolutely crucified. He has to be 10 times better as a candidate just to break even.

I don't really buy that.

Are you suggesting that Obama is actually knowledgeable on foreign policy. I'm not saying Mccain is, by default. But, do you consider Obama to be a foreign policy expert? Where would you put his level of expertise?

[DenButsu]

I call bull **** on that one though. I've heard it alleged twice, but never backed up with any kind of solid information.

From crooksandliars:

McClellan: White House gave FOX commentators talking points

This just in from the Department of the Obvious: Scott McClellan admits to Chris Matthews that the White House made a deliberate effort to use FOX News commentators like Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly to disseminate White House talking points.

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Matthews: “Did you see FOX television as a tool when you were in the White House? As a useful avenue to get your message out?”

McClellan: “I make a distinction between the journalists and the commentators. Certainly there were commentators and other, pundits at FOX News, that were useful to the White House.” […] That was something we at the White House, yes, were doing, getting them talking points and making sure they knew where we were coming from.

Matthews: “So you were using these commentators as your spokespeople.”

McClellan: “Well, certainly.”

Straight from the source. Enough with the “fair and balanced” crap already.

Are you suggesting that Obama is actually knowledgeable on foreign policy. I'm not saying Mccain is, by default. But, do you consider Obama to be a foreign policy expert? Where would you put his level of expertise?

I'm saying that in this campaign Obama has most definitely demonstrated a level of knowledge and understanding of the Iraq War, Afghanistan War, the Middle East in general, the relationship with America to the rest of the world in general, how America can/should get NATO to be a more effective partner in security, etc., which is at least on par with what McCain has demonstrated, if not superior to it in certain areas.

What Wesley Clark said, as disrespectful as it may have sounded, was essentially true: Being a veteran does not automatically qualify you as a foreign policy expert.

And I'd add that Obama's foreign policy expertise is most definitely superior to Bush's in 2000.

[gcoll]

Denbutsu, you bring up a good example. McClellan makes the claim, but he gives no facts. I want a "who/what/when/where" type thing.

I'm pretty sure Mclellan apologized to O'reilly on the air about those comments.

What Wesley Clark said, as disrespectful as it may have sounded, was essentially true: Being a veteran does not automatically qualify you as a foreign policy expert.

See. But nobody ever said it did.

From what I see, Mccain usually cites his visits to Iraq, support of the surge, and that type of thing as his "foreign policy experience"

And what Wesley Clark said wasn't all THAT bad. There were other comments that were a lot worse, that got a lot less coverage for some reason. Probably due to Wesley Clark's status.

[DenButsu]

Denbutsu, you bring up a good example. McClellan makes the claim, but he gives no facts. I want a "who/what/when/where" type thing.

Well, unfortunately the phone companies spy for the White House, so they probably won't provide us with records of the e-mails they snooped and phone conversations they bugged and faxes they monitored between Fox News and the WH.

It is the mission of the most secretive administration in American history to keep the public in the dark about such goings on. It's the one thing they're really good at. Well, that and lying.

[ari1013]

Denbutsu, you bring up a good example. McClellan makes the claim, but he gives no facts. I want a "who/what/when/where" type thing.

I'm pretty sure Mclellan apologized to O'reilly on the air about those comments.


See. But nobody ever said it did.

From what I see, Mccain usually cites his visits to Iraq, support of the surge, and that type of thing as his "foreign policy experience"

And what Wesley Clark said wasn't all THAT bad. There were other comments that were a lot worse, that got a lot less coverage for some reason. Probably due to Wesley Clark's status.

No, he apologised for using O'Reilly's name. He never went back on the entire thing, he just said that he didn't mean to imply that Bill was one of the people.

[nascar10294]

Rush/Hannity/Savage/Levin
NY Post and one of NY Times, Daily news, or Boston Heraeld
Fox News

[tbron]

the net, foxnews, cnn and realclearpolitics.