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    CubsGirl is right, (choke) geez never thought I'd type those words on this forum.

    It is a P.R. mistake for McCain to accept Social Security. If you're looking for an honorable man CubsGirl, try Warren Buffet who will not accept Social security benefits. Fact is, you only get Social security by applying for it. So while McCain whines about the system being broken, he stood in line like everybody else to get his money.

    And why shouldn't he? It's his money and therein lies the rub. Social Security should be means tested. I've long advocated for the Moynihan/Nixon plan of a Guaranteed Minimum Income and Benefit Plan or GIMME.

    Initiated by Patrick Moynihan (D-NY) and endorsed by President Richard Nixon, GIMME would amalgamate all our social welfare programs, SSI, food stamps, AFDC etc, into one plan that gave everybody a minimum income above the poverty line and a basic health plan.

    GIMME was to be means tested and people weaned off the system during their peak earning years of 25-65 and then put back on in retirement. Among the societal benefits is an end to poverty as we know it and a softening on the bust side of the business cycle because minimum consumer spending would always be above the poverty level.

    Nothing would invigorate our waning industrial base more and restore the auto industry for example than relieving the corporations of the costs of medical coverage and defined benefit retirement plans.

    Is it a liberal or socialist idea? Bloody right it is. Is it corporate welfare? NO, it is providing for the general welfare which is exactly the federal gubment's constitutional mandate.

    but yeah, CubsGirl is right. McCain is a freakin' hypocrite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sboyajian View Post
    what's funny.. that he writes off things in his taxes or that he donates clothes to the needy?

    that *******.
    man i wonder who those lucky foos r that get to wear obama's old clothes

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonman View Post
    CubsGirl is right, (choke) geez never thought I'd type those words on this forum.

    It is a P.R. mistake for McCain to accept Social Security. If you're looking for an honorable man CubsGirl, try Warren Buffet who will not accept Social security benefits. Fact is, you only get Social security by applying for it. So while McCain whines about the system being broken, he stood in line like everybody else to get his money.

    And why shouldn't he? It's his money and therein lies the rub. Social Security should be means tested. I've long advocated for the Moynihan/Nixon plan of a Guaranteed Minimum Income and Benefit Plan or GIMME.

    Initiated by Patrick Moynihan (D-NY) and endorsed by President Richard Nixon, GIMME would amalgamate all our social welfare programs, SSI, food stamps, AFDC etc, into one plan that gave everybody a minimum income above the poverty line and a basic health plan.

    GIMME was to be means tested and people weaned off the system during their peak earning years of 25-65 and then put back on in retirement. Among the societal benefits is an end to poverty as we know it and a softening on the bust side of the business cycle because minimum consumer spending would always be above the poverty level.

    Nothing would invigorate our waning industrial base more and restore the auto industry for example than relieving the corporations of the costs of medical coverage and defined benefit retirement plans.

    Is it a liberal or socialist idea? Bloody right it is. Is it corporate welfare? NO, it is providing for the general welfare which is exactly the federal gubment's constitutional mandate.

    but yeah, CubsGirl is right. McCain is a freakin' hypocrite.

    how else is he supposed to get his viagra?

    on a serious note, he is a politican... duh..... these arent exaclty the brightest people in the country

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomno00 View Post
    its a knock b/c the man raised taxes about 100 times while being a senator in illinois. So its like he's going against what he stands for i guess. If he loves taking money from taxpayers so much, then shouldnt he pay his share to instead of puting 1 million in tax free bonds and deducting good will from his taxes?
    So by that same token, President Bush should be evading his taxes?

    Pretty stupid logic there.
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    ari, it wouldnt be as funny if bush did that becasue he is a conservative, whereas barack is a very liberal senator who believes heavily in higher taxes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Man View Post
    ari, it wouldnt be as funny if bush did that becasue he is a conservative, whereas barack is a very liberal senator who believes heavily in higher taxes
    thanks for the talking point and continuing to spin this misconception. Obama does not "believe in higher taxes", in fact he will lower them for th evast majority of people in this country and repeal the excessive tax breaks given to the extremely wealthy by GW

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    keep believing that......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Man View Post
    keep believing that......
    I'm just going with the facts. You can take a look for yourself or I can provide them for you, all the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHX-SOXFAN View Post
    I'm just going with the facts. You can take a look for yourself or I can provide them for you, all the same.
    don't you get it? in fantasyland you can make up your own facts. Real facts hold no sway.
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    I wonder how many times a politician dem or republican said one thing then did another once elected??

    Point being the facts are not the facts until they guy does what he said he would do.

    I don't think it is a fact until he actually lowers the taxes

    Right now it just makes for good talking points



    http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/288542838.html

    looks like he hasn't had a problem voting or supporting a bunch of increases up to this point
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    nice link randy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy West View Post
    I wonder how many times a politician dem or republican said one thing then did another once elected??

    Point being the facts are not the facts until they guy does what he said he would do.

    I don't think it is a fact until he actually lowers the taxes

    Right now it just makes for good talking points



    http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/288542838.html

    looks like he hasn't had a problem voting or supporting a bunch of increases up to this point
    Looking through that "nice link:"

    1. Quoting Tucker Bounds or Rich Karlgaard is meaningless.

    2. McCain wants to tax pollution as well. In fact they both have the same cap and trade plan.

    3. Windfall profit tax is completely a political ploy. It's something that would never happen. The Left uses that to get the poor to think that they're going to get to take on the big evil corporations. Similarly the right talks about repealing the Federal gas tax. Something else that won't happen. Neither one would help at all.

    4. Payroll tax -- if you remove the current cap, that solves the Social Security problem.

    5. They got the facts wrong. Herbert Hoover only raised taxes when it became clear that his laissez faire strategy had failed completely and some government intervention was needed (FDR built on that). According to John M. Keynes, who analyzed that period of history, for every government dollar spent, it added about $5 to our GDP. For every tax dollar collected, it lowered GDP by $2.80.

    6. Voting against extending the Bush Tax Cuts is not the same thing as voting to raise taxes. Especially when yoru proposal does the Bush Tax Cuts one better for the bottom 4 quintiles. But since this is a rightwing news site, I wouldn't expect anything less.

    7. The rest of it has to do with the State of Illinois and I don't know anything about Illinois Legislature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CubsGirl View Post
    Of course, if that were me, I would probably do the same thing, but still, I think it'd be smarter for him to take a stance more like "I get Social Security checks, but I don't cash them because our system is broken." Just my two cents.

    Wow, this statement is completly hypocritical....

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    double post.

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    whoops, McCain looks like he's backing a tax increase also backed by Obama

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080729/...r/mccain_taxes

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