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    Obama wanted to cut and run, but with the surges success Iraq wants tourist

    http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/i...22/115169.html


    a few hundred years ago there were many people who didnt want to break from england. people fought and were afraid that it might cost lives... and it did.

    people just expect Iraq to be "fixed" in a few years after a dictator is removed. also people tend to forget that America had a civil war 100 years AFTER our declaration of independence. Battles like Gettysburg that had over 50,000 casualties from one fight wouldn't be tolerated today in our hippie liberal media.

    and now BECAUSE of the surge... Bagdad is promoting tourism, thinking of building $100 million dollar hotels, and they might not be there now...but they are on their own way

    Obama is a ivy leaguer who cant comprehend personal sacrifice, his ego wont let him. He wont admit the surge is working cause it will make him look bad.. he gives credit to diplomacy and the Iraqi Gov, not our troops.

    One day Iraq will be a place where the children grow up without fear of mass genocides and admit it or not.. it will be thanks to G.W. Bush and the surge
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    don't start the hate propaganda that obama doesn't support or give credit to the troops, that's not what his trip over there has shown so far.

    He's been in the right from the beginning, that's what important, ie someone with good judgement who won't put this country in the wrong position based on faulty intelligence.

    I thought we should already be thanking GW Bush, especially everyday since the "Mission Accomplished" banner.

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    You're partially right about the Left not being able to give credit to the surge because they look bad about it (General Betray-us, anyone). But the rest is a bit unfair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blenderboy5 View Post
    You're partially right about the Left not being able to give credit to the surge because they look bad about it (General Betray-us, anyone). But the rest is a bit unfair.
    Putting everyone on the left in the same boat as the whackjobs at MoveOn.org is akin to putting everyone on the right in the same boat as the Swiftboaters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ari1013 View Post
    Putting everyone on the left in the same boat as the whackjobs at MoveOn.org is akin to putting everyone on the right in the same boat as the Swiftboaters.
    true

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    Oh god.. does your body naturally create the **** you spew, or do you have to first eat said **** and then regurgitate it?
    oh my god! did you hear? Alex Rodriguez left a floater and didn't do a double flush!!! someone alert the media this must be news!

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    a stable Iraq.....right.....

    taking power away from the sunni's and giving it over the shiites IMO isn't exactly gonna create harmony....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ari1013 View Post
    Putting everyone on the left in the same boat as the whackjobs at MoveOn.org is akin to putting everyone on the right in the same boat as the Swiftboaters.
    Fine. Then why won't prominent Dems give credit to the surge for helping the war?

    Also, the difference between moveon.org and the swiftboaters is the swiftboaters weren't entirely wrong.
    "Compromise, hell! That's what has happened to us all down the line -- and that's the very cause of our woes. If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time?"

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/op...hp&oref=slogin

    Interesting article on how the surge has made Obama's cut and run strategy possible.
    "Compromise, hell! That's what has happened to us all down the line -- and that's the very cause of our woes. If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Fluty View Post
    http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/i...22/115169.html


    a few hundred years ago there were many people who didnt want to break from england. people fought and were afraid that it might cost lives... and it did.

    people just expect Iraq to be "fixed" in a few years after a dictator is removed. also people tend to forget that America had a civil war 100 years AFTER our declaration of independence. Battles like Gettysburg that had over 50,000 casualties from one fight wouldn't be tolerated today in our hippie liberal media.

    and now BECAUSE of the surge... Bagdad is promoting tourism, thinking of building $100 million dollar hotels, and they might not be there now...but they are on their own way

    Obama is a ivy leaguer who cant comprehend personal sacrifice, his ego wont let him. He wont admit the surge is working cause it will make him look bad.. he gives credit to diplomacy and the Iraqi Gov, not our troops.

    One day Iraq will be a place where the children grow up without fear of mass genocides and admit it or not.. it will be thanks to G.W. Bush and the surge

    Then Iraq can recycle this old banner


    I always knew deep down that Iraq would go green before Iran.

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    ^looking at the thread title...
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    While there have been reductions in violence....come on.

    He wont admit the surge is working cause it will make him look bad
    I'm pretty sure he has acknowledged the positive gains of the surge.

    This political climate makes it very tough to tip your cap to the other side though, so that may be something to consider.

    Obama shouldn't really go with the "The surge has had positive effects, but I'd still be against it" type stuff though.

    If Iraq is at some point deemed a success. I will be very happy. And if something like that were to happen, I would think Petraeus may one day have a good shot at the presidency.
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    Umm I seen the title "Obama cut and run" and clicked on this for a laugh. Instead of toilet humor I got a laugh at

    Iraq is building hotels? Whip-de-doo, sweet, the war is a total success!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by blenderboy5 View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/op...hp&oref=slogin

    Interesting article on how the surge has made Obama's cut and run strategy possible.
    And isn't that what he's said numerous times? That's why he proposed a staged withdrawal -- one very similar to the one that McCain and Bush are now both talking about in their withdrawal "horizons"
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    Quote Originally Posted by blenderboy5 View Post
    Fine. Then why won't prominent Dems give credit to the surge for helping the war?

    Also, the difference between moveon.org and the swiftboaters is the swiftboaters weren't entirely wrong.
    And one on the other end of the spectrum could argue that moveon wasn't entirely false either. We were definitely being fed propaganda by the people in charge (politicians and generals) that the war would last 'days, weeks, or months, but definitely not years.'

    You can keep playing the game over and over again, but at some point you just have to realize that there are crazies on both sides whose only goal in life is to twist the truth and make the other side look bad.

    Kind of like how some of the McCain surrogates are attacking Obama for signing the logbook at Yad Vashem.

    Unfortunately the media pays lots of attention to those types because people love to watch trash on tv.
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