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    McCain trash talk hits new low

    Sen. John McCain (R-Az), presumed presidential nominee of the Republican Party brought political discourse to a new low yesterday. At a town hall meeting in Rochester, NY McCain said:

    "I had the courage and the judgment to say that I would rather lose a political campaign than lose a war. It seems to me that Sen. Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign." (Emphasis added)

    This is even more scurrilous than when Republicans rose to the defense of Osama bin Laden and accused President Clinton of going after the 9/11 mastermind for the sole purpose of getting Monica Lewinsky off the front page.

    Obviously McCain is desperate that he would bring such a malicious, vindictive and scurrilous charge. Preposterous and unbelievable. McCain belongs on the fringe with the Alex Jones loons.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/...ain/index.html

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    Well what's wrong? Obama said he wants to pull the troops out...aka losing the war. Saying such a thing can help win him the campaign unfortunately.

    Nothing really low here. And certainly nothing trashy.

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    I am by no means a McCain advocate but that doesnt seem too bad. He is pointing out his stance on the issue. If we pull out of Iraq he thinks we will have lost, he is comparing his stance as opposed to Obama's. Sorry but i dont see the horribleness of it. Maybe he shouldnt have said the part about anything Barack Obama would prefer to do but that really isnt that bad.
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    Moon,

    I am a huge Obama supporter but have to disagree with you on this one. I do support Obama's plan for troop withdrawal but it is reasonable to think that more would lead to a more unstable Iraq. The presence of US Troops is the only thing keeping the Sunnis and Shi'ites from engaging in civil war.

    A lot of people are sick for seeing American boys die over this poorly planned war and support Barack for this reason.

    Pea-brained Bush created this Kobayashi Maru and unfortunately there is no optimal solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrigleyboy25 View Post
    Well what's wrong? Obama said he wants to pull the troops out...aka losing the war. Saying such a thing can help win him the campaign unfortunately.

    Nothing really low here. And certainly nothing trashy.
    McCain is now advocating pull the troops out. But McCain adopting Obama's position once more isn't losing the war? I suppose you also defend Republicans for protecting Osama bin Laden when Clinton was shooting missiles at him?

    IMHO, FearAD & dbroncos78087 are missing the point. McCain said, "Sen. Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign." That's outrageous.
    Last edited by moonman; 07-23-2008 at 01:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonman;5972280[B
    ]McCain is now advocating pull the troops out. But McCain adopting Obama's position[/B] once more isn't losing the war? I suppose you also defend Republicans for protecting Osama bin Laden when Clinton was shooting missiles at him?

    IMHO, FearAD & dbroncos78087 are missing the point. McCain said, "Sen. Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign." That's outrageous.
    Do you just make stuff up?

    Strategy for Victory in Iraq

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    John McCain believes it is strategically and morally essential for the United States to support the Government of Iraq to become capable of governing itself and safeguarding its people. He strongly disagrees with those who advocate withdrawing American troops before that has occurred.

    It would be a grave mistake to leave before Al Qaeda in Iraq is defeated and before a competent, trained, and capable Iraqi security force is in place and operating effectively. We must help the Government of Iraq battle those who provoke sectarian tensions and promote a civil war that could destabilize the Middle East. Iraq must not become a failed state, a haven for terrorists, or a pawn of Iran. These likely consequences of America's failure in Iraq almost certainly would either require us to return or draw us into a wider and far costlier war.

    The best way to secure long-term peace and security is to establish a stable, prosperous, and democratic state in Iraq that poses no threat to its neighbors and contributes to the defeat of terrorists. When Iraqi forces can safeguard their own country, American troops can return home.
    http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/...7ea83f11d8.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by FearAD View Post
    Moon,

    I am a huge Obama supporter but have to disagree with you on this one. I do support Obama's plan for troop withdrawal but it is reasonable to think that more would lead to a more unstable Iraq. The presence of US Troops is the only thing keeping the Sunnis and Shi'ites from engaging in civil war.

    A lot of people are sick for seeing American boys die over this poorly planned war and support Barack for this reason.

    Pea-brained Bush created this Kobayashi Maru and unfortunately there is no optimal solution.
    not to mention iran would probably get involved. I do think mccain should stop questioning obama's patriotism. I mean the guy is running for president

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    You know what his classmates at the Naval Academy called him? McNasty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrigleyboy25 View Post
    No, I don't "just make it up" sometimes I get my news on the board you administer.

    http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums...d.php?t=249412

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    The sad thing, moonman, is this is completely accurate.

    Democrats don't care about our future in Iraq compared to the future of their party. That seems to be a no duh fact. While John McCain is banking his candidacy on Iraq, Obama is using cheap votes from ADD/shortsighted people to win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrigleyboy25 View Post
    Poor Wrigs -- you still believe that McCain's someone that stands by his word: http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums...d.php?t=249412

    He's a political opportunist just like everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GBG2489 View Post
    You know what his classmates at the Naval Academy called him? McNasty.
    Is that his McPorn-Name?
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    I don't see anything wrong with that comment by Mccain.

    Anyone want to shed any light?

    IMHO, FearAD & dbroncos78087 are missing the point. McCain said, "Sen. Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign." That's outrageous.
    Would Obama's opposition to the surge, and support of an immediate withdrawal THEN, result in a loss of this war?

    Is Obama's opposition to the war, at this time, a politically expedient position to take? Did Obama's opposition to the war, and support of withdrawal gain Obama political popularity?

    Did Mccain's support of the surge, and opposition to the plan the Bush Administration, lead to political problems for Mccain?

    And for you [Moonman] to call someone else's comments outrageous....well....that's outrageous.
    Pea-brained Bush created this Kobayashi Maru and unfortunately there is no optimal solution.
    The American people ALWAYS forget to include themselves in the equation.

    At one time, the Iraq war enjoyed about a 70-75% approval rating.

    Then people will try and pass it off as "We were duped"....which I guess is a fine argument. But then they would also call Bush a moron, admitting that they were duped by a moron. Odd how these two ideas never clash in these people's heads.
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    The idea that "pulling the troops out" amounts to "losing the war" assumes:

    a) that this mess is "winnable" in any way, shape or form in the first place,

    b) that anybody who is trumpeting "winning the war" has actually articulated what they mean by that (they haven't),

    c) that we are not already losing the war to begin with because we're losing the lives of American soldiers, losing BILLIONS of dollars that could be better spent, losing the opportunity to actually fight against terrorism on more effective fronts, losing our standing in the world, losing so, so, SO much more than anything we might have gained in Iraq, and

    d) that we actually gained anything in Iraq.



    The entire concept of "winning the war" is a house of cards built on lies. It's a sham.
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    finally, gcoll to the rescue of the right. We disagree with on most things but it is sooooooo obvious you possess an I.Q. above moron, a score not often found among chickenhawk fascists. You must get lonely over there. BTW, taht's about as nice as I'll ever be to ya.

    Anyway your points. Obama never endorsed an immediate withdrawal. He might have said I will BEGIN withdrawal immediately but he has always said any withdrawal will be done with the safety of our service people as our first priority.

    Secondly, while Obama hasn't put this forward, "the surge" hasn't worked because it hasn't accomplished the stated goal, which was to make it possible for the Iraqi's to complete work on their constitution ans sharing of power and resources. Nobody I know of among us unpatriotic leftist commie gay rights supporting baby head crushing latte drinking Volvo driving liberals, Obama included, has ever disparaged our troops or suggested our military hasn't done its job remarkably well.

    What the Iraqi's are telling us is that, they can take it from here even though the goals set out when the surge policy was announced remain unaccomplished. I believe them. Apparently so does John McCain and I'm glad to see McCain come to Obama's side on the issue of bring our troops home.

    The only question remaining is when will gcoll get it?

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