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    Republican Money Woes Continue

    As the American People turn their backs on the Republican Party generally and conservatism specifically it appears we are also closing our wallets. The vaunted direct mail campaigns of Richard Vaguerie (sp?) and others go unopened and unanswered today.

    Obama out raised McCain by more than 1.5 to 1 in June. The Democratic Senate Committee outraised its Republican counterpart by more than 2 to 1 and in the House, seemingly unpopular according to polls cited by conservatives, Democrats have beat the Republicans by more than a 6 to 1 margin.

    And some wonder why I'm calling for a Democratic landslide in November. Some numbers just don't lie.

    http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...008-07-21.html

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    LOL, who wants to invest in a losing prospect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonman View Post
    As the American People turn their backs on the Republican Party generally and conservatism specifically it appears we are also closing our wallets. The vaunted direct mail campaigns of Richard Vaguerie (sp?) and others go unopened and unanswered today.

    Obama out raised McCain by more than 1.5 to 1 in June. The Democratic Senate Committee outraised its Republican counterpart by more than 2 to 1 and in the House, seemingly unpopular according to polls cited by conservatives, Democrats have beat the Republicans by more than a 6 to 1 margin.

    And some wonder why I'm calling for a Democratic landslide in November. Some numbers just don't lie.

    http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...008-07-21.html
    Well to be fair, Obama had a $25 million day on June 30 -- the day he decided to spend 100% of his time fundraising. If not for that day, he and McCain would be even in the cash department.
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    Also to be fair, McCain's not making as much not because Jesus is his opponent, but because conservatives don't want to give money to a liberal.
    "Compromise, hell! That's what has happened to us all down the line -- and that's the very cause of our woes. If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time?"

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    As the American People turn their backs on the Republican Party generally and conservatism specifically
    The American people have not turned their back on conservatism.

    People don't have to run from being called conservative. Whereas liberals seem to be trying to re-brand themselves as "progressives".

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    Yeah that's the thing. Despite the woes of the Republican party, they haven't ruined the word conservative. Maybe when you associate yourself with defending partial birth abortion, terrorists at gitmo, and Howard Dean, it's harder for people to identify themselves as being in your camp. So you change the name to something else. You're not liberal, but progressive. You're not for crushing a child born up until the navel and crushing its skull, but for womens rights. Etc
    "Compromise, hell! That's what has happened to us all down the line -- and that's the very cause of our woes. If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by blenderboy5 View Post
    Also to be fair, McCain's not making as much not because Jesus is his opponent, but because conservatives don't want to give money to a liberal.
    Thats the point I was going to make. This has nothing to do with conservatism dying out. It is just a result of Conservatives not trusting a man with their money that does not represent their ideological beliefs

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    Quote Originally Posted by blenderboy5 View Post
    Yeah that's the thing. Despite the woes of the Republican party, they haven't ruined the word conservative. Maybe when you associate yourself with defending partial birth abortion, terrorists at gitmo, and Howard Dean, it's harder for people to identify themselves as being in your camp. So you change the name to something else. You're not liberal, but progressive. You're not for crushing a child born up until the navel and crushing its skull, but for womens rights. Etc
    no one is for crushing a child's skull in any party. the democratic party is for women's right's and right to choose though. that has nothing to do with children, it has to do with pregnancy.

    yes I'm getting sick of you injecting biased statements on the abortion issue, therefor I will combat every single one I see with opposition view.

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    ari, that's like sayin' if we didn't have lightening California wouldn't have forest fires. C'mon, facts are facts. Obama raised more money in one day than McCain did in the entire month.

    Others say that Americans are not turning their backs on conservatism? Hmmm, I guess the mid-terms in '06 didn't turn the Congress into Democratic hands and the Dems didn't win a majority of Statehouses either.

    In the broad general sense, I agree though. Americans have not turned their backs on genuine conservatism. Americans have turned their backs on corporate chickenhawk fascism that the Republicans have been selling as either conservatism or as the Reagan Revolution.

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    Money woes?

    Mccain and the Rep have more money in the bank than Obama (the Obama campaign and the party have about $92.3 million in the bank, which is slightly less than Republicans, who began July with about $95 million)

    sure Obama raised more... but had to spend it all beating Hillary... now they are saying they need more money..

    I know this isn’t the first time we’ve asked you for money, and it won’t be the last,” David Plouffe the campaign manager for Mr. Obama,

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/us...mpaign.html?hp

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHX-SOXFAN View Post
    no one is for crushing a child's skull in any party. the democratic party is for women's right's and right to choose though. that has nothing to do with children, it has to do with pregnancy.

    yes I'm getting sick of you injecting biased statements on the abortion issue, therefor I will combat every single one I see with opposition view.
    The Republican party supports womens rights to... a woman's right not to get herself pregnant in the first place if she doesn't want a "fetus"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raidaz4Life View Post
    The Republican party supports womens rights to... a woman's right not to get herself pregnant in the first place if she doesn't want a "fetus"
    Amen

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    Quote Originally Posted by blenderboy5 View Post
    Yeah that's the thing. Despite the woes of the Republican party, they haven't ruined the word conservative. Maybe when you associate yourself with defending partial birth abortion, terrorists at gitmo, and Howard Dean, it's harder for people to identify themselves as being in your camp. So you change the name to something else. You're not liberal, but progressive. You're not for crushing a child born up until the navel and crushing its skull, but for womens rights. Etc
    They're doing their very best to ruin American Conservatism. Someday "Conservatism in America" might actually get a read or two by someone on the right, until then, you better believe that the number of self-identified conservatives is going to continue to fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHX-SOXFAN View Post
    no one is for crushing a child's skull in any party. the democratic party is for women's right's and right to choose though. that has nothing to do with children, it has to do with pregnancy.
    When your candidate supports partial birth abortion, you can't really say that with a straight face.

    Quote Originally Posted by moonman View Post
    Others say that Americans are not turning their backs on conservatism? Hmmm, I guess the mid-terms in '06 didn't turn the Congress into Democratic hands and the Dems didn't win a majority of Statehouses either.
    No, shortsighted Americans turned their back on Bush and Iraq.
    "Compromise, hell! That's what has happened to us all down the line -- and that's the very cause of our woes. If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Fluty View Post
    Money woes?

    Mccain and the Rep have more money in the bank than Obama (the Obama campaign and the party have about $92.3 million in the bank, which is slightly less than Republicans, who began July with about $95 million)

    sure Obama raised more... but had to spend it all beating Hillary... now they are saying they need more money..

    I know this isn’t the first time we’ve asked you for money, and it won’t be the last,” David Plouffe the campaign manager for Mr. Obama,

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/us...mpaign.html?hp
    Talk about propaganda. Bear in mind that the RNC has to spend their money on defending the 35 seats the Dems are going after in the House and the 12 seats the Dems are going after in the Senate because Cole and Ensign are incompetent fundraisers.

    Then again, as long as billionaires continue funding rightwing 527s, the TV time's still going to lean in McCain's favor.
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