Ryno Vs. Morgan

[MorganFearsRyno]

Since Joe Morgan seems to think he is so Superior to Ryne Sandberg, lets compare numbers.

Sandberg
Games: 2164
Hits: 2386
Runs: 1318
HR: 282
RBI: 1061
TB: 3787
AVE: 285
OBP: 344
SLG: 452
Fielding Percentage: 989
All in 16 Years.
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10x All-Star selection
9x Gold Glove Award winner
7x Silver Slugger Award winner
1984 NL MVP
1990 Home Run Derby winner
Chicago Cubs #23 retired
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Morgan
Games: 2649
Hits: 2517
Runs: 1650
HR: 268
RBI: 1133
TB: 3962
AVE: 271
OBP: 392
SLG: 427
Fielding Percentage: 981
all in 21 Years
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10x All-Star selection
2x World Series champion
2x NL MVP
1972 MLB All-Star Game MVP
1982 NL Comeback Player of the Year
Cincinnati Reds #8 retired
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For some reason Joe Morgan Feels like,
Ryno doesn't deserve to be in the HOF.
Based on What? Why does Morgan belong?
because he was on a Dynasty Team?
Is it Sandberg's fault he wasn't a part of a Dynasty??

[quiksilver2491]

Sorry man, Morgan was clearly a much better player than Ryne Sandberg. Sandberg was good but I don't know if he is HOF worthy, he leans more on the side of not making it.

[MorganFearsRyno]

How?

He has better stats, with 5 less years in the bigs.

EXPLAIN TO ME!!

[Buckwheat]

How?

He has better stats, with 5 less years in the bigs.

EXPLAIN TO ME!!

It's all in the OBP

[Humongo]

132 OPS+ vs. 114 OPS+

689 SB vs. 344

Morgan was clearly the better leadoff hitter.

And for what it's worth, Sandberg kinda sucked on the road (.738 career OPS). Morgan had at least an 800 OPS at home and on the road.

[JAYZFAN9]

Humongo pretty much covered it in the previous post

[FriarFanatic]

morgan is simply better

[sanfranfan1210]

Morgan

[redwhitenblue]

132 OPS+ vs. 114 OPS+

689 SB vs. 344

Morgan was clearly the better leadoff hitter.

And for what it's worth, Sandberg kinda sucked on the road (.738 career OPS). Morgan had at least an 800 OPS at home and on the road.

SB's mean nothing without associated %'s

And one being a better leadoff hitter doesn't make him better in general...but I agree Morgan was better-not by much though

[quiksilver2491]

SB's mean nothing without associated %'s

And one being a better leadoff hitter doesn't make him better in general...but I agree Morgan was better-not by much though

Morgan was better by enough to clearly distinguish who the better player was. Morgan was a lock for the hall while Sandberg falls short IMO.

[PhillyLuver]

Joseph Morgan wins.

[kingsfan15]

i hate to say it, morgan was the better player, sucks as an announcer tho

[bagwell368]

Raw numbers does a disservice to Morgan. Remember he played in Houston which in the 60's which is along with LA at the same time the worst hitting enviornment since the dawn of the live ball. Stats such as OPS+ have to used, and raw stats looked at with suspicion.

Morgan:

11 times 130 OPS+ or better (6 times over 145)
14 times .370 OBP or better
5 GG (probably overstates his value)
2 MVP
689 SB vs. 162 CS (the best of any player with over 100 SB all time I believe)

Ryno

6 times 130 OBP+ or better (1 at/over 145)
2 times .370 or better (whoa he got mashed here)
9 GG (he was better)
1 MVP
344 SB to 107 CS

So, Morgan had a longer and better career, a much steeper peak, was a much better on base man, and was better at stealing bases and not being caught.

Oh yeah on 2047 less PA then Morgan, Ryne hit into 139 GDP to Morgans 105.

I'll give you the glove.

Verdict: Joe Morgan the best 2B of all time, Ryne about #6-7-8 hardly chopped liver, but clearly not in the same league.

I actually saw Morgan play for Houston and also his sidekick Jim Wynn. If Wynn got out of Houston when Morgan did, and didn't get stabbed in the gut, he would have been a better player then Morgan - he was in Houston.

[BigBruceRogers]

Joe Morgan is such a tool... a crappy announcer and Cubs hater. A guy who feels he is the best and nobody else deserves notice. Yes, he was better than Ryno but they played in different eras and atmospheres. You cannot compare statistics and numbers in a vacuum - you must take in the situational context.

Still, Morgan was a great 2B despite how much I dislike him... but so was Ryno! They just aren't far enough apart for Morgan to give Ryno the snob treatment. What a classless jerk.

[quiksilver2491]

Verdict: Joe Morgan the best 2B of all time, Ryne about #6-7-8 hardly chopped liver, but clearly not in the same league.

I actually saw Morgan play for Houston and also his sidekick Jim Wynn. If Wynn got out of Houston when Morgan did, and didn't get stabbed in the gut, he would have been a better player then Morgan - he was in Houston.

I think Rogers Hornsby is turning in his grave at that statement