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View Poll Results: As an Obama supporter, do you believe in socialism?

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  • Yes, socialism should gradually replace capitalism in our society

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  • No, I believe capitalism is still best for our country

    6 30.00%
  • I am not an Obama supporter, but I support a conversion to socialism

    0 0%
  • I am not an Obama supporter, and I believe capitalism is best

    13 65.00%
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    Quote Originally Posted by DenButsu View Post
    I'd like to cast my vote for people talking about socialism actually understanding what socialism is before making polls about socialism.
    Wise men see, socialism only prospers in theory, but fails in large scale implementation. - Confucius

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimura by Putin View Post
    Try not to be so conclusory, please provide facts to support you contention.
    Please don't talk to him like that. It's spin.
    "Compromise, hell! That's what has happened to us all down the line -- and that's the very cause of our woes. If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by blenderboy5 View Post
    Please don't talk to him like that. It's spin.
    Ah, sorry. I forgot that any divergent idea, comment, or perspective is spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimura by Putin View Post
    Ah, sorry. I forgot that any divergent idea, comment, or perspective is spin.
    lol do try to remember it next time
    "Compromise, hell! That's what has happened to us all down the line -- and that's the very cause of our woes. If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time?"

    RIP Jesse Helms

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    Quote Originally Posted by blenderboy5 View Post
    lol do try to remember it next time
    Thanks.
    I will because we are all people with feelings who DESERVE to be respected, and taken care of, and to have everything handed to us whether we deserve it or not because we are entitled to have everything because we are human, oh and everything has to be equal and with out any associated costs whatsoever, and with a bow tie around symbolizing a big group hug for all people!

    Sorry for the runon sentence and the poor grammar. I was just soooooo emotional thinking about how wonderful the world would be, if, the world was how I pictured it in mind.

    Life is sooo much easier if I live in my own ideas, instead of living in the real world.

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    "Compromise, hell! That's what has happened to us all down the line -- and that's the very cause of our woes. If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time?"

    RIP Jesse Helms

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    Quote Originally Posted by blenderboy5 View Post
    I'm generalizing of course.

    But if we can't laugh at ourselves, then we can't laugh at anything.

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    If there's one thing I believe in, it's capitalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHG722 View Post
    If there's one thing I believe in, it's capitalism.
    Sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar.



    Capitalism is the only market system that takes into account the true nature of humans. If this was not true, then the majority of the world would be under a socialist market system.

    Fedor Fact #114:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimura by Putin View Post
    Sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar.



    Capitalism is the only market system that takes into account the true nature of humans. If this was not true, then the majority of the world would be under a socialist market system.
    I assume you're not being sarcastic...so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHG722 View Post
    I assume you're not being sarcastic...so...
    By no means was I being sarcastic. I agree with your comment.

    Human nature embraces capitalism. Forcing human beings to scarifice for the survival or benefit of a competitor can only be successfully implemented in personal settings where caring and self - sacrifice are wantonly offered.

    Socialism expects this exceptional giving, seen in the microcosm of personal relationships, as the default rule for society as a whole. Socialism cannot be implemented on a large scale basis without oppression.

    "It is absolutely impossible to transcend the laws of nature. What can change in historically different circumstances is only the form in which these laws expose themselves." - Karl Marx
    Last edited by Kimura by Putin; 07-12-2008 at 02:12 AM. Reason: typo

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    You can't have completely unregulated capitalism though.

    A "diet" form of capitalism works best, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcoll View Post
    You can't have completely unregulated capitalism though.

    A "diet" form of capitalism works best, I think.
    I wish I could disagree, but history and the facts render argument futile.

    A pure free market system only exists in theory. There is, has, and always will be regulation because a portion of the human population will always justifies their means by the ends notwithstanding the totality of the circumstances.

    Regulation, as with any law, reins in the people willing to abide by its principles, but more so, regulation derives its power to reins in the law abiding person based on violence or the threat of the deprivation of liberty.

    Here's my contention, over regulation harms the people willing to abide by the principles for which the regulation was enacted. People who are willing to do whatever it takes to get what they want do not care what laws anyone puts on the books.
    Last edited by Kimura by Putin; 07-12-2008 at 02:49 AM. Reason: typo

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    Do not regulate that which needs no regulation. (KEEP REGULATION TO THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM.)

    Forcing decision on others yields only ineffeciency.

    Fedor Fact #114:
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    "The worst thing for me in the sport is when my friends lose in combat, the best thing in my life is my family and my daughter" - Fedor Emelianenko

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