Daisuke Matsuzaka-Cliff Lee

**letsgorangers27** · 07-11-2008, 11:04 AM

Dice K is the better. I like Lee though. And the BB issue w/ Dice doesnt bother me cause I'm a yankee fan

**cwilson21** · 07-11-2008, 12:05 PM

I'll take Lee. Dice-K can be dominating but it's usually for only 5 innings as opposed to Lee who usually dominates 7-8 innings (at least for this season).

**Gdubbz** · 07-11-2008, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by cwilson21

I'll take Lee. Dice-K can be dominating but it's usually for only 5 innings as opposed to Lee who usually dominates 7-8 innings (at least for this season).

I agree with you, but Dice-K is just a more skilled, big game player. Still this is way close to call.

**TheLogical** · 07-11-2008, 04:37 PM

Matsuzaka.

**Humongo** · 07-12-2008, 03:29 AM

Cliff Lee:
2.43 ERA , 173 ERA+ , 1.04 WHIP , 5.21 K/BB

Dice-K:
2.84 ERA , 152 ERA+ , 1.37 WHIP , 1.35 K/BB

This season, it's not even freaking close. Lee by a mile.

**Humongo** · 07-12-2008, 03:29 AM

I wish the poll was public so we could see how many Red Sox fans are voting for Dice-K.

**GHGHCP** · 07-12-2008, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Humongo

I wish the poll was public so we could see how many clueless idiots are voting for Dice-K.

Fixed.

**JAYZFAN9** · 07-12-2008, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Humongo

Cliff Lee:
2.43 ERA , 173 OPS+ , 1.04 WHIP , 5.21 K/BB

Dice-K:
2.84 ERA , 152 OPS+ , 1.37 WHIP , 1.35 K/BB

This season, it's not even freaking close. Lee by a mile.

Wow, they are really slugging this year

**Humongo** · 07-12-2008, 05:59 PM

Lol, my bad.

**JAYZFAN9** · 07-12-2008, 07:55 PM

Seriously tho that BB/K Ratio for Dice K is bloody horrendous

**Humongo** · 07-12-2008, 11:13 PM

...and on the other side of the coin, that K/BB for Lee is incredible.

**Run Gardner Run** · 07-13-2008, 02:55 PM

Clifford

**yaowowrocket11** · 07-13-2008, 03:37 PM

This year, Cliff Lee definitely.

As much as I am a supporter of Dice-K and think he is a great pitcher, he won't be considered a top pitcher until he can find the strike zone.

**HighVelocity** · 07-14-2008, 02:02 AM

I have to go with Dice-K. We all know that he walks a ton of batters, which most of the time results in him being taken out in the 5th-6th inning because of his high pitch count. But he finds ways to get out of jams, and can get a strikeout when he needs one. Yes, Cliff Lee is having a tremendous year but you have to think about who the proven pitcher really is here. Dice-K is the more proven pitcher.

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