Possible McCain VP pick Jindal deals blow to separation of church and state

[DenButsu]

Yes folks, from that man who brought you chemical castration, here's a new law that allows schools to permit science teachers with religious agendas to teach religion in science classes.

Chalk one up for the ignorance of the American public!

Jindal signature renews evolution debate
6/27/2008, 5:05 a.m. CDT
The Associated Press

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) — Governor Bobby Jindal has signed the legislation that renewed the debate in Louisiana over the role of religion in the class room.

Jindal signed Senate Bill 733 by Ben Nevers of Bogalusa, which supporters say is designed to open up "critical thinking" about scientific topics such as evolution, cloning and global warming. Opponents say the bill is really a veiled attempt to introduce religious views about man's creation into public school science classes.

The Legislature's Web site says the bill was signed earlier this week.

The bill says teachers must stick to approved science text books, but can supplement those books with other materials about scientific topics.

nola.com

EDITORIAL
The new bill doesn’t mention either creationism or its close cousin, intelligent design. It explicitly disavows any intent to promote a religious doctrine. It doesn’t try to ban Darwin from the classroom or order schools to do anything. It simply requires the state board of education, if asked by local school districts, to help create an environment that promotes “critical thinking” and “objective discussion” about not only evolution and the origins of life but also about global warming and human cloning, two other bêtes noires of the right. Teachers would be required to teach the standard textbook but could use supplementary materials to critique it.

That may seem harmless. But it would have the pernicious effect of implying that evolution is only weakly supported and that there are valid competing scientific theories when there are not. In school districts foolish enough to head down this path, the students will likely emerge with a shakier understanding of science.

nytimes



This is excellent news for all those countries competing with the United States economically and technologically. Their educational advantage over America just got that much stronger.

Not such excellent news for our Constitution, though. Oh well, I guess that antiquated document will just have to take a backseat to the theocratic agenda of Jindal and the religious right...

[JHG722]

I'm on the right, but not the religious right. If I read this correctly, I dont really have a problem with it. Yeah, separation of church and state, I know. There's always been a lot of issues with this crap. I guess I wish we were able to see both sides legally.

[blenderboy5]

Yeah how dare we have critical thinking. How dare people talk about flaws in Darwin's Theory of Evolution, Global Warming, cloning, etc.

And let's not even get into a discussion about how overdone the whole separation of church and state is. 'Cause that current system is a huge misconstruction of the Founding Fathers intentions.

[cambovenzi]

I'm on the right, but not the religious right. If I read this correctly, I dont really have a problem with it. Yeah, separation of church and state, I know. There's always been a lot of issues with this crap. I guess I wish we were able to see both sides legally.

i just wish we were able to see both sides intelligently.
evolution is ALOT ALOT more rock solid than what BS garbage cult religion trash they might try to teach you now.

[JHG722]

I never paid attention in science class, so I have no idea what they teach.

[blenderboy5]

i just wish we were able to see both sides intelligently.
Religion is ALOT ALOT more rock solid than what BS garbage cult Darwinim that threatens the lives of those who don't toe the line trash they might try to teach you now.

Fixed.

[DenButsu]

If they want to teach "God created the world" they can do it in bible schools, not public schools.

Questioning gravity - or Darwinism - based on religious viewpoints is not critical thinking. It's religious thinking.

I had a class for discussing ideas like that when I was in high school.

It was called "religion". As it should have been.

Let science be science. If you want to believe the earth is flat, that's your prerogative. But the scientific community has standards that are based on objectively measurable and provable FACTS. Evolution is very strongly supported by those FACT things. Creationism is not.

[gcoll]

I don't see this as that big of a deal.

It's a high school science class anyway...how important is that really?

All high school (and public school in general) did was waste my time.

evolution is ALOT ALOT more rock solid than what BS garbage cult religion trash they might try to teach you now.

I don't get why they have to be mutually exclusive. That's what I've never understood.

And the way I look at religion, and a belief in God, and God creating the universe is this: I don't believe it. I just don't. I don't think there is a God. But WAY WAY WAY smarter people than me, have been convinced there was a god. Newton, for example. Thought that the way the universe worked, and the way everything fit together implied there had to be a creator.

That's one of the reasons why quite a few atheists bother me. They're so condescending, and they have no idea what they are talking about, really. They say things like "Evolution is science and I believe science..." but they're bull ****ting you. They know nothing about the theory of evolution. They know nothing about science in general. They are just morons. God I hate college kids.....

that is all.

[blenderboy5]

Yeah, agreed.

Not all atheists are arrogant or condescending. But there's something about smugly declaring you know more than humans throughout history, men like Newton, that leads to arrogance.

[ari1013]

Yes folks, from that man who brought you chemical castration, here's a new law that allows schools to permit science teachers with religious agendas to teach religion in science classes.

Chalk one up for the ignorance of the American public!


nola.com

nytimes



This is excellent news for all those countries competing with the United States economically and technologically. Their educational advantage over America just got that much stronger.

Not such excellent news for our Constitution, though. Oh well, I guess that antiquated document will just have to take a backseat to the theocratic agenda of Jindal and the religious right...

On the topic of Jindal, this may have come up during my hiatus, but here goes anyway: http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpoi...with_the_d.php

Yeah, exorcist.

[ari1013]

I don't see this as that big of a deal.

It's a high school science class anyway...how important is that really?

All high school (and public school in general) did was waste my time.


I don't get why they have to be mutually exclusive. That's what I've never understood.

And the way I look at religion, and a belief in God, and God creating the universe is this: I don't believe it. I just don't. I don't think there is a God. But WAY WAY WAY smarter people than me, have been convinced there was a god. Newton, for example. Thought that the way the universe worked, and the way everything fit together implied there had to be a creator.

That's one of the reasons why quite a few atheists bother me. They're so condescending, and they have no idea what they are talking about, really. They say things like "Evolution is science and I believe science..." but they're bull ****ting you. They know nothing about the theory of evolution. They know nothing about science in general. They are just morons. God I hate college kids.....

that is all.

And that's fine. That's what Theology classes are for. You can learn what happened in science classes and then go take theology to get the philosophy on why it happened.

[DenButsu]

All high school (and public school in general) did was waste my time.

You seem to be able to read and write and interpret and analyze pretty well. Was that all from home schooling?

[JHG722]

It's probably from just being generally smart?

[nate_1346]

The GOP needs Romney to be McCain's VP, or else they are assured to lose.

[cambovenzi]

Fixed.

lol?
lets go see the easter bunny guys.
b/c thats obviously real too.