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    How about The Snake?

    Anyone else think that Kenny Stabler has been iced out of the HOF?

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    yes go raiders

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    Ken Stabler is a Hall of Famer, the Hall voters just haven't recognized him yet.

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    I'd take Mingo over Jones too guess I'm an idiot too.

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    I think he should be in there too

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    not even close.
    career 75.3 QB rating.
    nothing really sticks out as HOF material.

    only 4 probowls for a QB isnt very good.
    34th in career TD passes. but 16th in passes intercepted. YES, he had more INT's than tds.(194-222)
    104th in passes completed per game.
    41st in passing yards.
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    Wow, you are going with stats as a counter for him getting in? Have you even seen the stats of some of the QBs in the hall? When it comes to winning, he's badass. He was the 3rd fastest to reach 100 wins...a record that Johnny Unitas had when Stabler broke it. He has an MVP award, a Super Bowl ring and was a hell of a lot of fun to watch.

    Now, what you are really saying is because he had 5 crappy seasons with Houston and New Orleans, respectfully, he played his way out of the HOF? I mean, if stats are the only thing you are going to base your decision on, why isn't Ken Anderson in the HOF yet? I mean, besides the fact that he doesn't have a Ring.

    Quote Originally Posted by Underdogz∞ View Post
    I'd take Mingo over Jones too guess I'm an idiot too.

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    jags needa famer

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    I was a Raiders fan when Stabler came up, but not by the end.

    Stabler

    1st team all pro - once
    all pro - 3 other times
    over 2944 yards - twice
    194 career TD's - 222 Int's
    QB rating over 88.3 twice (94.9, 103.4)
    22nd in sacks yards lost
    16th in picks

    An aside, not Stabler's fault, but:

    And finally his big year when the Raiders went 16-1, and "won" the SB, the one game they lost was to the Past 48-17 - the same team that was beating them when Ben Drieth made the phantom roughing call on Sugar Bear Hamilton on Stabler with moments left in the first round playoff game. Before Drieth died, he admitted he made the wrong call because the Pats had no class. You think the tuck rule game was bad? Huh...

    Stabler should be in the Hall of the Very Good, but not HoF.

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    lol for a second there i thought you were talking about Jake "the snake" Plummer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MT3279 View Post
    Wow, you are going with stats as a counter for him getting in? Have you even seen the stats of some of the QBs in the hall? When it comes to winning, he's badass. He was the 3rd fastest to reach 100 wins...a record that Johnny Unitas had when Stabler broke it. He has an MVP award, a Super Bowl ring and was a hell of a lot of fun to watch.

    Now, what you are really saying is because he had 5 crappy seasons with Houston and New Orleans, respectfully, he played his way out of the HOF? I mean, if stats are the only thing you are going to base your decision on, why isn't Ken Anderson in the HOF yet? I mean, besides the fact that he doesn't have a Ring.
    what criteria do you look for if not stats?
    winning? thats a team thing. and thats seemingly the only thing your basing it on.

    alot of fun to watch? lol. yes HOF material right there. stop the presses. a player was fun to watch.

    he was not the best of his era.
    he had one 1st team allpro. oh wow
    and extremely mediocre stats for the majority of his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cambovenzi View Post
    what criteria do you look for if not stats?
    winning? thats a team thing. and thats seemingly the only thing your basing it on.

    alot of fun to watch? lol. yes HOF material right there. stop the presses. a player was fun to watch.

    he was not the best of his era.
    he had one 1st team allpro. oh wow
    and extremely mediocre stats for the majority of his career.
    No, I'm saying you are basing your opinion on the stats, I never said I don't base them on stats. Quite the contrary, actually. I look at the stats of a lot of QBs of old in the HOF and I think he is a lot like them. He took lots of chances, he was asked to make plays and to lead his team to win. He won, a lot, and racked up those wins quickly. He wasn't the best QB of his era, but does that mean you leave out all the Qbs of said era but the best one? Don't leave him out of the HOF because he, and his team, had so much trouble getting past the Steelers. It's not like everybody else didn't have the same problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Underdogz∞ View Post
    I'd take Mingo over Jones too guess I'm an idiot too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cambovenzi View Post
    not even close.
    career 75.3 QB rating.
    nothing really sticks out as HOF material.

    only 4 probowls for a QB isnt very good.
    34th in career TD passes. but 16th in passes intercepted. YES, he had more INT's than tds.(194-222)
    104th in passes completed per game.
    41st in passing yards.


    Well a few ppl that did make the HoF didn't have the greatest stats, like Joe Namath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newdude View Post
    Well a few ppl that did make the HoF didn't have the greatest stats, like Joe Namath.
    Dude! That was a dumb remark

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    Quote Originally Posted by newdude View Post
    Well a few ppl that did make the HoF didn't have the greatest stats, like Joe Namath.
    Joe Namath embodied a sea change from the old weak AFL to the merged super NFL - by the numbers he does not belong either - I would take him out myself. Stabler was a good QB in the right place at the right time, but not a HOF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DieHardColtsfan View Post
    lol for a second there i thought you were talking about Jake "the snake" Plummer.
    So did I. I almost pooped.

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