NFL and CFL merge?

**da phins** · 06-12-2007, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by chiefsfootball

Toronto is really the only viable market...honestly. They have the facitlity and the population. They could support a team, in all other sports that come north TO is the only place where it hasn't left... Van had the Grizzlies, Mont had the Expos... In both American dominated sports CND teams fell to the way side except Toronto.

well cause gizz sucked. really bad. lol

**da phins** · 06-12-2007, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Bramaca

I don't really like Toronto, they just make the most sense for an NFL franchise. I don't think that any of the Canadian cities are going to end up with a team in the NFL in the foreseeable future though. The only way would be if the NFL started something like soccer in Europe where there is a Premier League and then divisions bellow it. Any way it happens though, I don't think football in Canada would benefit, a good independent CFL is much better than an NFL farm league team.

Toronto and Vancouver are world class cities but it doesn't mean that they need to have a team in every major sport. New York doesn't have a top class soccer, volleyball, or rugby team(huge sports in world class cities in Europe, Asia, and Australia) but there just isn't a place for it over here. Just like in Europe, football and baseball are not supported.

Be happy with what you have and move on.

in city of van we have like 600000 people
and alot of our fans come from surry n richmond or noth van or west van

**2009mvp** · 06-12-2007, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by chiefsfootball

Toronto is really the only viable market...honestly. They have the facitlity and the population. They could support a team, in all other sports that come north TO is the only place where it hasn't left... Van had the Grizzlies, Mont had the Expos... In both American dominated sports CND teams fell to the way side except Toronto.

Originally Posted by da phins

well cause gizz sucked. really bad. lol

The Raps weren't much better until '99, yet they survived.

**da phins** · 06-12-2007, 06:21 PM

but no one here likes bball, they like hockey n football more

**Bramaca** · 06-12-2007, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by 2009mvp

The Raps weren't much better until '99, yet they survived.

The Grizzlies got better attendance than many teams that are in the league now. But the Raps got Carter around that time while Vancouver had SAR as their franchise player. Not to mention the Grizzlies had a chance to sign Nash around then and decided not to. Management and ownership had everything to do with them leaving, not the market.

**2009mvp** · 06-12-2007, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Bramaca

The Grizzlies got better attendance than many teams that are in the league now. But the Raps got Carter around that time while Vancouver had SAR as their franchise player. Not to mention the Grizzlies had a chance to sign Nash around then and decided not to. Management and ownership had everything to do with them leaving, not the market.

I see the baseless statements continue...For the first 2-3 years, the novelty effect of pro basketball in a city will draw a crowd. It's after that wears off that the true market for a sport becomes evident. I don't get what we're arguing here, it's quite obvious that Toronto, because of it's large, diverse population, and the fact that we are an East-Coast city in the vicinity of the real big-markets (NY/Phi/Bos) that we are the Canadian city best suited to support a pro-franchise. (And of course, remember attendance stayed strong at Raps games, even during a 4 year stretch in which the most games we won was 33, and we didn't make the playoffs once)

**Bramaca** · 06-12-2007, 11:24 PM

I never actually argued that Toronto wasn't the first place that the NFL would go if it came to Canada, it would be. But you will have to be happy with being the first option in Canada because you are not getting a team.

**da phins** · 06-12-2007, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by Bramaca

I never actually argued that Toronto wasn't the first place that the NFL would go if it came to Canada, it would be. But you will have to be happy with being the first option in Canada because you are not getting a team.

well its bc or toronto

most likely toronto

**Bramaca** · 06-12-2007, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by chiefsfootball

Toronto is really the only viable market...honestly. They have the facitlity and the population. They could support a team, in all other sports that come north TO is the only place where it hasn't left... Van had the Grizzlies, Mont had the Expos... In both American dominated sports CND teams fell to the way side except Toronto.

Is there a stadium in Toronto that I don't know about. Because the Rogers Center isn't big enough for an NFL team. It would have the smallest seating capacity in the NFL by 7000 and would be 17000 below the league average.

**da phins** · 06-13-2007, 04:22 PM

sky dome?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Centre

Capacity
50,516 (2007 Baseball)
53,506 (2007 Football)
37,000 Basketball
10,000-55,000 (2005 Concert)

**Bramaca** · 06-13-2007, 09:22 PM

Smallest stadium in the NFL seats 60,000. Almost all of them are between 65,000 and 70,000.

**da phins** · 06-13-2007, 09:45 PM

yeah, but still 60,000 people is alot of people

**chiefsfootball** · 06-13-2007, 10:12 PM

The Rogers center could support a team. There is so much unused space there. They would make the neccesary renos if an NFL team was to come there. They could easily get another 10.000 seats. Mr.Rogers would do that if he new he was getting a team, for petes sake he shelled out 100 million for the Blue Jays Roster....

**Bramaca** · 06-13-2007, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by chiefsfootball

The Rogers center could support a team. There is so much unused space there. They would make the neccesary renos if an NFL team was to come there. They could easily get another 10.000 seats. Mr.Rogers would do that if he new he was getting a team, for petes sake he shelled out 100 million for the Blue Jays Roster....

Is that your profesional opinion as an engineer or an architect or is it just a shot in the dark.

You guys are sort of missing the point about the stadium. Toronto with an NFL team would have almost no revenue from tv, therefore attendance would be the major source of income for them. A much larger stadium than the Rogers Center would likely be needed to support the team.

**da phins** · 06-13-2007, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Bramaca

Is that your profesional opinion as an engineer or an architect or is it just a shot in the dark.

You guys are sort of missing the point about the stadium. Toronto with an NFL team would have almost no revenue from tv, therefore attendance would be the major source of income for them. A much larger stadium than the Rogers Center would likely be needed to support the team.

60,000 is enough

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