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Thread: The CFL Thread

  1. #1606
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    wow

    thats so stupid

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    Quote Originally Posted by kvtrains View Post
    Back in the mix...

    So to respond to some well thought out responses:

    Regarding the rules, I think that if the NFL competition committee took a look hard at the suggestions here they would be hard-pressed to flat out say they couldn't work, but the arrogance factor would likely get in the way. The NFL feels pretty good about itself and the arguments would likely be more emotional and condescending than rational and trained on market appeal. I've talked with some former NFL players and coaches over the years who have stated that they really love the movement and the no-yards punting game. Adjusting the final two minutes to a "stop after every play" approach means that teams are still in it right to the absolute end. I have to admit that eliminating the "rouge" needs to happen in the CFL no matter what.

    As for expanding by eight teams, they already did it at the end of the '60s. Yes, times were different, but the perception there was that the NFL had superior teams just like the commonly held perception regarding the CFL. Within a few years of the merger, the talent level had virtually balanced out. Just to comment there as well, there would also be a period of adjustment to new rules that would make some of the better players just average and some so-called also ran fit perfectly into the new game. Case in point: the NHL drastically altered its rules coming out of a labor dispute and some former star players couldn't make the adjustment. Certain body-types and coordination capabilities are better matched to certain games. It's why a lot of NFL players come to the CFL and bomb, same as the other way around. Right now the games are so different it isn't a realistic comparison. As for the NHL, don't forget they too swallowed up the competing WHA in 1979, adding 4 teams to a sixteen team league at the time. That seemed to work reasonably well: anybody hear of a WHA player named Wayne Gretzky?


    As far as attendance goes, don't sell short the appeal of the NFL north of the 49th. Stadiums that currently don't sell out would find that there would be a tremendous draw having established NFL teams visit former CFL stadiums. Don't forget that my proposal would move the weakest attendance franchise to LA. Being from Calgary, by the way, I can comment that there are no less than 50,000 US citizens living here as permanent residents. The rest of Canada has similar proportional residents and I would hazard a guess that at least one in three would head to the games in addition to the CFL fans already going. Calgary regularly sells out a 40,000 seat stadium. Edmonton averages even more, and can you imagine what a Seattle - Vancouver rivalry could become in time? Look at the big picture. Addressing the other comment about Montreal selling out its games, I'll play devil's advocate and remind people that they were struggling in 65,000 seat Olympic stadium and now play in 20,000 seat Molson stadium. But the NFL's appeal can't be dismissed: when the Montreal Machine was part of the NFL's WLAF experiment (pre-cursor of NFL Europe for the younger crowd) they had huge numbers for a definitely sub-par talent level. But at the time it was seen as the next step to Montreal getting an NFL franchise... Make the Alouettes an NFL team and they will be selling standing room only tickets at the big "O".

    Regarding the argument about revenues, it is very obvious that many don't understand the revenue potential in Canada. For the NFL it would actually be a lot of found money due to television contracts (they really do have TV in Canada), sponsorships (Canada also has breweries and car manufacturing) and of course marketing and merchandising opportunities. Add in the merchandising in the US for those individuals who have to have everything and there is suddenly a ton of new things to buy and collect.

    One of the reasons the CFL doesn't get the revenue numbers people would like to see is the fact that the networks and major sponsors in Canada presently split their pro football money between the CFL and the NFL due to satellite and cable coverage opportunities. If they held a true monopoly they would probably be working with a 25 - 30 million dollar salary cap. No, still not the 100 million dollar range, but it gives you an idea of what the perception is of the NFL's superiority, even in corporate Canada. As far as revenue sharing, yes it would initially hit the existing NFL teams a bit, but in the long run it would likely balance out. We're talking a period of years don't forget.

    great post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bramaca View Post
    kvtrains, you seem very gung-ho about this but I just don't see it as realistic at all. You mention the NFL and NHL expanding by a lot of teams. The NBA also did this as well but there is a huge difference, those times the leagues were merging/taking over with leagues that were competitiors with very similar talent levels. The CFL is not on par in any way with the NFL and is not a competitor. The NFL doesn't lose money, popularity, or market share to the CFL which was what was happening in the other instances.

    As far as attendance, I don't think that would be a huge problem except for the fact that ticket prices would probably have to go up a lot (which could hurt attendance). But the majority of the NFL's money doesn't come from attendance anyways so it wouldn't be enough to support a franchise by far. Another thing that would have to be considered is that the stadiums in Calgary, Saskatchewan, and Winnipeg are not big enough and new ones would have to be built. The stadiums in the other cities are borderline big enough but would all need major renovations.

    The argument about revenues in Canada not being tapped yet is untrue. The NFL already makes a ton of money here through tv, merchandise, etc. And they don't have to share any of that with a bunch of Canadian teams. By merging the CFL into the NFL they really wouldn't be bringing in that much more in money, even over time. The revenue sharing would not balance out over time.

    Another thing that you have to consider is that each CFL team would have to pay for a franchise like any other expansion team. While the CFL teams are established they are nowhere near in value what an NFL team is, I imagine the cost would be somewhere in the range of 200-300 million for each team. I doubt many of the current owners are willing or able to dole out that much cash and its not like there is a huge lineup of billionaires waiting in these cities to do so.

    Plus there really is no advantage to the NFL and the current teams to do this at all. It makes no sense financially.

    yeah u do point out alot of things as well

    like i said be 4

    i like cfl i cfl
    and nfl in nfl

    i wouldnt want them to merge

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  4. #1609
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    Yes, it just seems really greedy and in the long term, just plain dumb! This will alienate a number of people and despite the fact that the Grey Cup is such an institution, it will hack some people off. I mean, I'm from the UK and this year I won't be paying stupid CAN$ in total, because of a greedy approach to Grey Cup ticket prices. Maybe the CFL can do without the likes of me, if so then it's a smart decision. But, maybe not?

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    Gotta weigh in again. The reason I look at a merge seriously is because I see the Bills experiment in T.O. as a slippery slope and don't like what could come of it if narrow minded people blindly support the process it's starting.

    If the NFL relocated/expanded into Toronto I think it sounds the death knell for the Argonauts. Unless it's in a Leaf's jersey or waves the stars and stripes, Torontonians won't support it. The exception has always been the Argos, but I don't think there are enough football fans there to support two teams in two leagues. Period.

    Kill the Argos and you either kill or maim the CFL and I don't like either scenario. If the NFL comes to Canada it needs to work with the CFL to keep good quality pro football in the whole of the country or stay the hell out altogether. Despite what a bunch of pigheaded arrogant blowhards seem to think, the talent level is actually pretty good, albeit different.

    If I had my way, the CFL would expand into the maritimes, Quebec City and Kitchener/Waterloo and re-establish a franchise in Ottawa. Get some more revenue from the new cities and see if corporate Canada can't start waving the flag.

    Me and my buddies figured the NFL is probably inevitable so we looked at a way to merge the two in a way that would actually improve both versions by eliminating the garbage rules. Yeah, it would take years to work out the bugs, and yes it would hit the pocketbooks of a bunch of overpaid players and team owners, but you gotta know the NFLPA would drool at the prospect of adding 400 new players to its membership. I`m betting they`d be onside if nothing else.

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    I am not a big fan of the NFL moving into Canada either. I'm a Bombers fan and love the CFL. I barely even pay attention to the NFL. But you are looking at this as a CFL fan who wouldn't like to see his team go. You are suggesting a best case scenario for the Canadian teams in every area and counting on all the American teams to be charitable on top of that just so that Canada has teams all throughout Canada. I like a happy story and I like my football team but the CFL merging with the NFL is a story that is not going to happen.

    As for CFL expansion, that is something that they seriously need to look at. You should go back and look at some of the old threads. I believe there are 2 on expansion that have some good points about it. The CFL should continue to worry about themselves and not dwell on something that is out of their control (NFL expanding to Canada).

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    i would rank the lions like 2nd last

    they lost so many players and its only gonna get worse

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    ya now logan is gone along with wake,roberts, and others

    riders should be in there



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    Quote Originally Posted by T.O.Bombinators View Post
    ya now logan is gone along with wake,roberts, and others

    riders should be in there
    lions gonna suck
    in our front 7 on D we have 2 guys returing

    logan
    roberts
    wake
    clermont
    priece (maybe)
    jimmez
    murphy

    we are done

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    what happened to this forum?

    its dead

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    McKenzie offsets some of Lions personnel losses
    http://www.nationalpost.com/sports/s...tml?id=1298271

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    Changes in the Lion's den: Murphy's out, McKenzie's in
    http://www.vancouversun.com/Sports/C...997/story.html

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    Argonauts lure top free agent Rob Murphy: source
    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/st...reeagency.html

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