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we saw Rose, Love, and Dirk fall big time. Rose gets the benefit of the doubt because of his MVP, and team, but in reality, shouldn't we question him more than Love, when his team is still competing...

Rondo? ewww

my post is a result of the crap I have read on Love all year.

Sick of defending him. If we can do better in so many Wolves fans mind, trade his ***.

Done defending him.

this year? Of course not.

Again, goldfish memories. Did either of you pay attention last year?

I am done. Trade Love for whatever. Get rid of him. **** it.

Don't care.

Better off...

Scoring efficiency, rebound rate, foul draw rate, win shares, WS/48, offensive rating...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html




meh, not really. Statistically, Love...

evidence sides with me.

Before I waste my time, please show your case for the players you view better. Seriously. Love's stats take a **** on them.

well, then start being subjective with roster help, instead of just demanding wins out of an individual in a team sport.

It is a compliment in your personal rankings. I have zip problem with that. I personally feel he is of a higher ranking, WHEN HEALTHY.

Very easy, at this point, to sell your case. Mine, is tough...

or an NBA record 330+ games missed due to injury, literally crapping on the previous record.

Phil answered the question, we are making our opinions. Kobe is a far lesser player.

If me, or anyone else responding to Phil's direct quote bothers you, that is on you man.

Shved, to me, projects as the leader of the 2nd unit type.

it took me the entire year to call Stiemsma by his last name

just posted what they said prior to the season. But, you will win this debate because the intelligence level in teh main board borders scary dumb.

Prior to Love's lost season, this board voted...

LeBron, Durant, and a healthy Dwight or Paul could have carried the pile of crap Love played with to a good amount of more wins. Love is not of their caliber, but is seemingly measured as such.

well, thank you for bringing the Wolves forum debate public, and great timing, seeing as Love had a lost season, and most people in the NBA forum have the memory of a goldfish.

Instead, look up...

because no evidence can be collected. Intangibles are real, but how on earth do you measure them? You guys crap on Love for not putting his head down and sprinting back, but give everyone a pass...

Love didn't play this year basically, he dropped in everything. So did Rose. I said I was speaking of 11-12'. And I don't buy that Love and Rose will suddenly not be elite players next season if...

It doesn't MAKE him a top 10 player, it helps validate my opinion, after I add his numbers, statistical impact, dominance in many categories, accolades, and flat out production.

I can list every stat under the sun to prove I am right. Are you going to even consider them, or use your eyes?

anything that can't be proven can be overrated if you put too much stock into them. Basketball is a game of production, as efficiently as possible.

The Celtics were better without Rondo on the floor this year. He shows up for national television, and the playoffs. He freezes teammates. He is worthless on offense, because he has gotten to the...

Phil brought it up bud. Whine to him

no, it isn't.

haha, great point