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    Reading through the past few pages of posts, it...

    Reading through the past few pages of posts, it seems to me that the biggest beefs people seem to have with "New Atheists" - or as most atheists would call them, "atheists" (since there's really no...
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    nn, EVERYTHING you've said in this thread...

    nn, EVERYTHING you've said in this thread basically boils down to one great big argument from ignorance:

    Roughly speaking, it is no more than this:

    "I can't imagine how energy could come from...
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    Your first assumption ("we either assume a)...

    Your first assumption ("we either assume a) energy can arise from non energy or b) energy cannot arise from non energy") breaks down because it contains the logical fallacy of begging the question,...
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    Anyhow, getting back on topic: ...

    Anyhow, getting back on topic:

    http://aaagnostica.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/New-Atheists-BB-500.jpg
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    That is a horrible, absolutely nonsensical reason...

    That is a horrible, absolutely nonsensical reason to believe in the supernatural.

    It's a great reason to acknowledge that there are some things we don't know, and maybe can't know, about the...
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    Okay, here are some different examples, then: ...

    Okay, here are some different examples, then:

    I believe the sun will rise and set tomorrow (or more accurately, that the rotation of the Earth will continue in its regular 24--hour cycle). I...
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    :bang:

    :bang:
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    Wrong. And wrong. Firstly, logic and...

    Wrong.



    And wrong.


    Firstly, logic and reason play just as important of roles in determining whether a claim should be considered as credible as testing and measuring. And further, in the...
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    The author of that piece has clearly never even...

    The author of that piece has clearly never even read a Dawkins or Hitchens book. Total mischaracterization/straw man hack job. Does a lot of bashing, but does nothing in the way of citing any...
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    Wait for it... Wait for it... Okay,...

    Wait for it...



    Wait for it...



    Okay, let's pause right here. Not to be unfair, because of course you will go on to explain (or at least attempt to explain) what you mean by this.
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    NN, you need to learn the difference between...

    NN, you need to learn the difference between making a claim (more specifically, an unsubstantiated claim), and actually making a well-reasoned argument.

    Linking to a youtube video and saying,...
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    Okay, here you're claiming something we can sink...

    Okay, here you're claiming something we can sink our teeth into:

    "he contradicts himself multiple times"

    So, please show me multiple examples of him contradicting himself. That would be a...
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    Poll: I chose "other" because this is so subjective. ...

    I chose "other" because this is so subjective.

    Having lived in three different countries, here's what I think the real answer is:

    The country with the most beautiful women is the country you...
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    Patton Oswalt

    Patton Oswalt
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    So here's your argument, paraphrased, as to why...

    So here's your argument, paraphrased, as to why Lawrence Krauss is an idiot:

    "It's obvious to me, therefore it should be obvious to everybody, and therefore I'm right."

    That is the weakest of...
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    So in other words, basically exactly what I said....

    So in other words, basically exactly what I said. You have no grounds for criticizing him scientifically, you just don't like him and his ideas which you think (but cannot demonstrate with any valid...
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    Disagreed on the first bolded part. I'd argue...

    Disagreed on the first bolded part. I'd argue that if you take a group of people who have a religion-based belief in god and a group who believe in god but don't participate in an organized religion,...
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    But, as others have already pointed out in this...

    But, as others have already pointed out in this thread, the claims people make about their gods usually involve ways in which those gods impact the naturalistic world, and those claims certainly do...
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    It's comedy, and has a lot of non-sports content,...

    It's comedy, and has a lot of non-sports content, but Bill Burr's Monday Morning Podcast is funny, and he pretty consistently gets into at least one or two sports topics every week.
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    Well at least, unlike any believers in this...

    Well at least, unlike any believers in this thread (and we're 9 pages in now), they're actually trying to present their best argument for the existence of a god. Failing, but kudos for effort.
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    And by the way, for what it's worth, the basic...

    And by the way, for what it's worth, the basic notion you put forward (which I do agree with) that suffering is part of life, really makes MUCH more sense in a naturalistic world view, and not a...
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    Ah, yes, the beautiful suffering of parents whose...

    Ah, yes, the beautiful suffering of parents whose infant died of crib death.

    The beautiful suffering of a child who was at school, and thus survived a tsunami which washed away and killed not only...
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    reply to wrong person

    reply to wrong person
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    I don't think either of you guys are really...

    I don't think either of you guys are really directly addressing the point I was trying to make in my post. And maybe that's my fault for not being clear enough in the first place.

    So, to try and...
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    Nah. I'm just 42. :)

    Nah. I'm just 42. :)
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