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  1. I read an article today saying Bumgarner was Tom...

    I read an article today saying Bumgarner was Tom Brady to Clayton Kershaw's Peyton Manning.
  2. Kershaws worst full season would be Bumgarners...

    Kershaws worst full season would be Bumgarners career best.

    Nothing more needs to be said.
  3. Bumgarner is only a 3 WAR pitcher. Very Overrated.

    People basing their opinion on a 50 inning sample size.

    :eyebrow:

    Comparing him to Kershaw? Not even in the same league.
  4. According to FIP, Kershaw did nothing wrong in...

    According to FIP, Kershaw did nothing wrong in that 7th inning. He just got extremly unlucky on things out of his control.

    In fact he pitched GREAT. Whole point of FIP is to take away things the...
  5. Is Kershaw the most unlucky Post Season pitcher ever?

    His last two starts he has an ERA of 12.66 but an FIP of 3.38.

    Let's be honest these two starts are a stain on an otherwise great career, but is the perception that he got banged around also...
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    If he can maintain a near 1.000 OPS over the last...

    If he can maintain a near 1.000 OPS over the last 20+ games to end the season and end up with a 150 wRC+ as a catcher who plays very good defense behind the plate you could easily make the argument...
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    Posey is hitting .507 with a OBP/SLUG/OPS slash...

    Posey is hitting .507 with a OBP/SLUG/OPS slash of .522/.954/1.476 since August 21st.

    Just mashing the crap out of the ball.
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    Heyward has a high rWAR but there is no way I'd...

    Heyward has a high rWAR but there is no way I'd choose his season over Stanton or Cutch.

    It's not even a debate for me.
  9. Fact - over a 10 year stretch, he was 17th in...

    Fact - over a 10 year stretch, he was 17th in offensive runs produced.

    Fact - contrary to belief, he was only -5 runs on the bases over that period, so not horrible.

    Fact - He only had 18 rWAR...
  10. He was 17th in overall runs created. That's more...

    He was 17th in overall runs created. That's more indicitive of offensive value than wRC+.

    Doesn't matter if he had more PA's.... I'm not going to ding him whatsoever because he was healthy.
  11. Nope, you just didn't read what I said. I said...

    Nope, you just didn't read what I said.

    I said 9 year stretch....2001-2010.

    Not career.
  12. Which is why he's not considered an all-time...

    Which is why he's not considered an all-time great for his era.

    FYI he was only -5.1 runs over a 9 year stretch. Not that bad.

    We're talking about a top 20 offensive player over the course of...
  13. Here's where WAR and reality (IMO) do not...

    Here's where WAR and reality (IMO) do not coincide.

    He has had a very nice career, but he has only 16.8 rWAR over 14 seasons.

    In his best 9 year stretch, he had 18 rWAR. He was by definition...
  14. I think you trade Castro for pitching because you...

    I think you trade Castro for pitching because you will get much more value for him than Addison Russell.

    If the Cubs feel like Russell can approximate Castro's value, it makes sense.
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    Red Sox just gave a 6 year contract at 12 million...

    Red Sox just gave a 6 year contract at 12 million per year to a league average player?

    Could've signed a number of guys this off-season for far less who will give you similar production.
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    He's going to be a league average player. What's...

    He's going to be a league average player. What's that worth?
  17. For as many people saying they need pitching,...

    For as many people saying they need pitching, they aren't exactly terrible as is.

    2nd in fWAR in NL
    4th in FIP in NL
    Middle of the pack in xFIP
    Bottom 5 in ERA in NL though.

    Overall that's...
  18. He gave up no home runs and walked two and struck...

    He gave up no home runs and walked two and struck out five in 4IP.

    = 2.2 FIP
  19. They have rebuilt the team perfectly.

    They have rebuilt the team perfectly.
  20. Kershaw's FIP in that game was only 2.2 if I...

    Kershaw's FIP in that game was only 2.2 if I remember correctly.

    A lot of people would argue he just got really, really unlucky in that game.
  21. How does everyone feel about the fact every championship is based largely on luck?

    Discuss.
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    Puig is almost 2 WAR behind Stanton in rWAR.

    Puig is almost 2 WAR behind Stanton in rWAR.
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    1250 innings isn't a big enough sample size for...

    1250 innings isn't a big enough sample size for you to determine he can keep HR's down far better than the rest of the league?

    Here's my opinion. Kershaw has his own average independent of an...
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    I'm not following. He's always been able to keep...

    I'm not following. He's always been able to keep home runs down because he doesn't make as many mistakes as other pitchers do. He's the best pitcher of his era, a unique case study. Why would we...
  25. Thread: Corey Kluber

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    It's not even close right now. Kluber has no...

    It's not even close right now. Kluber has no argument.

    ERA 1.99 vs. 2.41
    WHIP 0.87 vs. 1.07
    FIP- 58 vs. 64
    ERA- 52 vs 64
    IP 185 vs. 179
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