Just watching? LMFAO, no offense but that sounds awfully boring. Your telling me you never engage in debates with your friends while you watch? I do, I love it, ESPECIALLY if we've been drinking. I dont want to come off conceded but Im kind of a big deal, Im the big fish in a small pond when Im with my friends.Quote:
Fans using them as a way to "enjoy the game better" is ridiculous to me. Enjoy the game by grabbing a beer, sitting with some friends, and just watching what transpires.
Yes, we know we're not GM's but that doesn't mean we cant at least try to approximate their methodology. Stats arent perfect, never going to be, we get it, hammering that point home seems to be your primary function these days. But they will ALWAYS have immense value.
Nothing you said was true, I never force my beliefs upon anyone, I merely expose the inaccuracies of outdated metrics.Quote:
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I've made this clear to you before but it gos in one ear and out the other but Ill say it again. If you don't use stats in your argument so be it, but if your going to use stats, use the ones that actual statisticians put more value in. I should copy and paste this argument next time you pull this ****
Call me selfish but I hope your right but it doesn't seem to be trending that way. More and more people are starting to see the value in APBR metrics.Quote:
Im never going to use advanced stats and most will not.
Which brings me to my next question, do you mean you will never use advanced metrics or that you will never use stats period?
There is a difference, one means your a traditional fan the other means your willfully ignorant.
Well I would be sure that MJ would get better stats as well if he knew PER and WS were around when he played. Afterall he is still #1 all time in PER in the season and WS/PER 48 minutes in the season and playoffs.
I agree with your logic 100%, it is nearly impossible to eye test every player. I will never argue that fact. I will argue with someone who tells me another player is better than another player purely based off stats. Perfect example is Jordan. Most people on this board will argue that Lebron is the next best thing to Jordan, and it isnt close. I've had the luxary of actually watching Jordan play while I was growing up (Im in my 30's) and watching Lebron play now. People will tell you that Lebron is on Jordan's level and they have'nt even really seen Jordan play except maybe highlights. To me stats (Basic or "caveman" as they are refered to here) are just the beggining to judging a player. They show me if a player is in the same league as another player, then I will eye test. And I will say "Oh, this guy scores better than that guy because this is happening", something along those lines. Advanced stat guy doesnt seem to take any intangibles into consideration when comparing two players. Its simply "Guy A has a better WS than Guy B, so how can you argue that Guy B is better?" Its silly.
So many words, yet still didn't answer the question.