BC has said (basically) that he passed on Drummond because he didn't like his head and attitude, probably from a bad interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raps08-09 Champ
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BC has said (basically) that he passed on Drummond because he didn't like his head and attitude, probably from a bad interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raps08-09 Champ
I can understand why he passed on him. But by passing on Drummond, BC didn't draft the BPA.Quote:
Originally Posted by conway429
Sine I started the BPA discussion I'll chime in.
Bargs was not BPA, just about everyone thought Aldridge was the best player, but we had Bosh. And most projected Bargs as a C at the time.
Derozan was not BPA, Jennings was thought to have been a top 5 pick had he gone to college instead of Europe, his upside was incredible, but we had Calderon. And a desperate need for a 2.
Davis was the best player, and had fallen so far you had to do it.
Valanciunas was BPA, but also filled a need so that's a wash.
Ross was not BPA, Drummond was, but we have Val. And Ross was supposed to fill a need for a 3 pt shooter. And as we all know, 2s and 3s are very interchangeable in the NBA, we needed a wing player.
People won't all agree with my assessment, but I think stacking assets is the right way to go, even if you're duplicating positions. There are lots of examples of this on successful teams in the league.
A lot thought Bargnani had the higher potential. Same with Derozan over Jennings.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_noodles
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raps08-09 Champ
I disagree. It isn't Best TALENT Available, it is Best PLAYER Available. The reasons why BC passed on Drummond are the same reasons he didn't go top 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raps08-09 Champ
I suppose his immaturity issues brought him down. But this guy was basically in the same position as DeMarcus Cousins. Had all the talent in the world but is considered a headcase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob_at_york
I agree with lots of the above comments. There is a huge difference between being incompetent and having very little work out or come to fruition yet. Some of the players we have were the best available and still have very tantalizing promise. Even the loathed-and-detested Bargnani has a TON of talent. It's just trying to get it all to pay off.
No we don't have the right combination but I wasn't expecting us to.
Our weakness at SF is GLARING. For example. The solutions out there are not good.
I still think the decision to give BC a short term contract was asinine. It brings out his impatient side when what we needed was a longer term plan - a thorough rebuild.
You say that it brings out his impatient side but he has never really shown a patient side. It does not seem to matter whether he has a two or a five year contract. And this isnt just with the Raps it was the same thing on the Suns.Quote:
Originally Posted by ink
I'm not going to disagree. But given what we know about his impatience, isn't it like giving crack to a coke addict to say "you have two years to rebuild"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bramaca
If ownership wanted a rebuild they were sending out 1. contradictory messages with the contract length, and 2. giving him incentive to do a half-assed job.
Like you've said many times, he drafts well. So giving him a short contract (which normally signals MAKE THE TEAM WIN NOW) was the stupidest thing that could have been done.
Not excusing his inability to get the team to improve, just saying that there's a very good case for being pissed off at a stupid ownership group for sending out contradictory messages.
WE WANT A REBUILD!!!
YOU HAVE 2 YEARS!!!
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by ink
I've been saying we need to either fire Colangelo or give him a longer contract. It makes no sense to tell him he needs to rebuild but only has 2 years.
BC supposedly has the long term interests of the Raptors in mind. That's why he drafted Jonas Valanciunas and said that he will be a good "long term" piece for the organization. Not so much expecting him to be a game changer now, although the fans sure hoped for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ink
The thing about BC is that he doesn't know how to manage a team even though he is good at drafting. He's shown to be a good talent scout but a subpar talent manager.
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Originally Posted by ink
it's not a contradictory message in the least. it's a "we don't know if you're as good as we thought message so let's see where we are 2 years from now and we will talk."Quote:
Originally Posted by Raps08-09 Champ
i'm sure if there were more positive signs that would have been more than enough to get him extended.
Yes it is a contradictory statement. You want him to do something but you don't give him the time to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamiecballer
Can't have it both ways. Give him a long contract or forget it.
People stupid enough to give an impatient GM two years to rebuild a team are not smart enough to tell if the struggling youth movement is on the right track.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamiecballer
Exactly. The clown show starts at the VERY top. Doesn't excuse BCs failings but I'm sick of the simplistic black and white blaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raps08-09 Champ