How is there any hope ?
I don't know where to put this in order to get a discussion going.Feel free to move it if you want but just let me know where you did.
The Phillies got better with Revere and Young, ( do not underestimate Michael Young, he is going to have a very positive influence there), and Halladay is back full time.
The Nats got better with Haran and Span, plus Strasburg will be there for the entire season and Harper will have a full year under his belt. If Haran reverts back to form, the Nats with Strassberg, Gonzalez, Zimmerman and Haran could have the best rotation in baseball.
The Braves got better with Upton and added to their bullpen which was among the very best.
The Marlins got worse.
So far the Mets stayed the same with the exception I guess that Harvey will be here for the entire year and hopefully Gee and Santana.
We have the worst OF in the majors and judging what is out there and the lack of money we have no matter who we sign or trade for will mark only a very small improvement. Add this to the fact that there is no one in the minors who is remotely ready to contribute.
So as Met fans we go into the season with virtually no hope of appearing in the post season and probably set for another 4th place finish again. In addition to the Phillies, Nats and Braves, The Reds, Cards, Dodgers, Giants, Diamondbacks and possibly the Pirates are all better than us.
Is there anyone who realistically, and I mean realistically can change this outlook.
1. Young is most likely done i'm calling it, he's not much of an improvement the only improvement the Phillies are adding is more age (Young is 36, Utley 33, Howard 33) They are getting older, only thing to watch out on the Phillies is there pitching.
2. Nats have gotten better but Haren has not been the type of pitcher he use to be so it could be said that it could either be low risk high reward or vice versa with that pick up. He still k's alot of guys Nats easily have the best pitching in our divison.
3. BJ Upton is a cancer and not a great pickup for the Braves but yes they did improve there bullpen.
4. Don't even get me started with the Marlins.
4 Reasons to look foward to the Mets this season -
1. We are gonna have Harvey for a whole year!!!
2. Will Dickey stay or will he go? If we can get Myers from the Royals that will certaintly bolster our weak outfield.
3. We have great starting pitcher depth
4. We will see a taste of what we have next year. I truly feel 2014 will be our year to compete with Wheeler!
^ Also forgot to metion, what if Ike rebounds? Alot of what ifs this season a stud Santana would help too.
2013 isn't going to amount to much.
Like i said i think they are hitching their wagon on Wheeler and Harvey developing further before they make significant acquisitions.
It's not a popular or "right" decision in the eyes of most but this team is still a work in progress even with acquisitions like I.E. Ludwick for example.
They should be looking for FA or trade help this offseason though but only if it's for the longer term..
It's hard to piece a team together on one year deals especially with older guys (Like Pierzynski or Ludwick for example) unless you have an already winning foundation like the Yankees.
To add insult to injury, we seem to have lost our best outfielder, Scott Hairston.
As bad as we were last year, we can be even worse in 2013.
We won't be great in 2013... That was known from day one.
I think the Phillies are just grasping at straws looking to preserve a once very good team.
The truth is their bullpen is not very good, Utley has started to show his age and has been injured quite a bit in the last 3 years, Howard is in decline and coming off a subpar season, and same with Halladay.
Rollins is not getting any younger either and neither is Young for that matter.
He is an upgrade over what they had but he is 36 and wasn't the same hitter last year he has been in the past.
They may have more payroll flexibility but Ruben Amaro Jr has made some questionable moves over the last 2 or 3 years.
The Phillies will probably finish better than we do this year but the Mets are looking up if they find a way to improve the roster whereas the Phillies have significant age and issues in key areas.
No matter how I might spin what the other teams have done and what we have (or haven't) we own 4th place in 2013.
Another inspiring season with hope, prayers and wishful thinking to look forward too......:sigh:
For all you guys who say be patient, - it's been only a quarter century and counting since our last WS banner......quite embarrassing, wouldn't you say?.....:eyebrow:
We are New York, shouldn't we be the BEST?
Sorry, no excuses. This is a direct result of poor, management decision-making over the time frame. With the exceptions of 1988, 2000 and 2006, if I'm correct, we've been irrelevant. Just by writing this gets my blood boiling.
Oh well, time for another high blood pressure pill.....:faint:
Let us just hope that one of any three pitchers we bring up from our farm system and I don't care whom, pitches effectively and consistently for us.
It would be a pleasant beginning at least.
Please no Bill Pulsiphers, Jason Isringhausens or Paul Wilsons.
For regulars: Please no Alex Escobars, Lasting Milledges, Victor Diazs, etc.
Focus is on 2014. Lots of hope for 2014 and beyond.
2013? Not so much. But I am hoping to watch and enjoy Dickey, Niese, Harvey, Murphy, Wright, and Tejada in particular. Maybe Davis too, and Wheeler.
The idea that because they are the NY Mets, therefore they should be the best is illogical. Wealth and prosperity are spread across the United States, as is power, and the distribution of people. There is no rational reason that New York teams should be the best.
Much has to happen in 2013 for there to be hope in 2014. Do not be deceived.
Originally Posted by Dugmet
Oh no, it's all going to fall into place overnight, don't worry, this is the plan, don't spend any money, don't improve the team at all for years and years, build a culture where losing is acceptable and even greenlit by the FO and ownership - but as soon as the last pitch is thrown next season, everything will come up rosy for the Mets.
Originally Posted by fanofclendennon
Money will fall from the skies FA's will be desperate to come to a loser org. without having to overpay, and most importantly players who have no idea how to win, suddenly start winning.
Originally Posted by metswon69
But it's all going to fall into place in 2014 for the Mets without a winning foundation?
This team is not going out there next year and take 5-10 games steps back.
Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly
Expect a similar record next year with 2 emerging aces, then they can make more significant acquisitions.
I am saying bringing quality veterans on a one year deal doesn't partake in the long term improvement of this team.
Wheeler and Harvey are close to emerging into possible franchise pitchers but they are not there yet.
Originally Posted by metswon69
Whatever dude, I don't buy this pie in the sky garbage about everything just falling into place in 2014. I expect another terrible season with tons of excuses for not improving the team in 2013, falling revenue and then more broken promises for 2014.
Signing guys on 1-2 year deals does not hinder a single thing going forward. Not a thing.
Well i see them doing quite a bit going into 2014, they've basically cornered themselves into doing it with how vocal they have been about having more flexibility after next season.
Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly
They have to make an attempt at winning because otherwise they will continue to lose significant revenue as less and less people show up. They'll be lucky to break 2 million this year and that's only if this team starts off well.
It's counterproductive not to, the most money they would make through the season is based on attendance and gameday related revenue at the ballpark.