As a small business owner, I can tell you for a fact, that I only buy new raw materials and equipment when I perceive buyers. So, who are the job creators?
Customers are the job creators. Owners, like me, are merely conduits.
The reason I bring this up is the silly business of helping job creators, and the meaning is helping we the owners. We the owners make more money when the real job creators, my customers, have money in their pockets to buy my products.
No. Job creators are the ones who paid for and got a change in the dialogue of a major sect of a political party. Instead of "the wealthy" they are "job creators" because giving job creators whatever they want in the form of laws, tax exemptions, and nepotism sounds a whole hell of a lot better than kleptocracy.
I am a job creator.
I believe bmd is too.
There seems to be a correlation of PSD job creators to Scrooge McDuck avatars. I think we've found the fundamental problem in our culture....
Its a really interesting perspective Cab, as usual.
I like it. I like the approach, where the people create jobs through investment or paying for goods and services, and business being a conduit through which money is invested to, in part, generate employment. It more accurately reflects relative roles and relationships between elements in our economy. It also puts responsibility on the people to invest their capital with thought and concience, and on government to respect these roles, and allow for an environment where the benefits from investments can be maximized.
At least, that's my thought having only taken two economics classes in school, and feeling confused the entire time.
I like this. Well put.
Originally Posted by cabernetluver
Agree with this thread 100%. Rich people do not create jobs. Businesses create jobs. We need to foster an environment where businesses can be successful.
I think I made this exact point three weeks ago in the corporate malfiesance thread.
There isnt a Buissness owner in the world who makes hiring decisions based on his tax rate. That is a R lie that sounds very reasonable, like most of their talking points.
Another one is the Guns dont kill people, people kill people nonsense, as if guns dont make it at all EASIER to carry out ill intent...its just as stupid in its
Demand dictates hiring.
If people want what you have then you need more to sell and more people to sell it.
For people to want something they must have disposable income.
I also touched on this at length in my Why we must Vote Democratic thread.
The economy is predicated on MANY people buying MANY things.
When we allow wealth to be concentrated, and when we allow incomes to drop, the effects can be masked by an increasing GDP(becasue the rich now have YOUR income)SO on a Macro level it looks like we are doing fine, but like an infection, or a leaking damn,or an overripe fruit, the economy is rotting...how many TVs, or cars,or gallons of milk can one person own?, once their needs are met, their wealth is used to create MORE wealth for themselves, not stimulating commerce in the economy.
Wealth must be controlled, it must be redistributed,dont be afraid of that Idea, its a very good thing.
We certainly agree, cab. However, Frank Luntz disagrees, and has a much bigger microphone. He made up that term, along with dozens of others that try to soft-pedal the very harsh reality he's selling. It focus groups very well (and yeah, that is one very messed up verb).
This thread goes to show if you take away the little letters indicating political affiliation in front of people's names, folks might just agree more often. Becasue then, you wouldn't be able to look at it in terms of what team one is on.
Reason 259 why political parties are for the weak minded.
Seriously... And we have psychologists to blame for this... I hate the ****ing semantic games people play with this ********. If you are a small business owner. you are a small business owner. not a job creator. As a small business owner is your goal profit or jobs? Cue the Jeopardy music.
OK that's settled.
Now if you are a coustomer are you buying that 60 inch LCD cause you want to create a job or because you want to watch porn on a massive TV? Cue Jeopardy music.
OK that's settled to.
Jobs are created as a function of business and consumers, but no one is a "job creator".
100% right, Cab.
The whole point of labeling the rich as "job creators" is to get people to defend entitlements for rich people and corporations. It is believing(or at least repeating) that those who are most well of are "job creators", and need to be taken care of.
It dupes people into arguing against their own interests. Public relations at it's best.
I completely agree with this. Small businesses make no money from the top 10% of America holding majority of the wealth.
Originally Posted by stephkyle7
only about 15% of the US's wealth is held by the middle class. population wise, about 50% of america is considered "middle class". so HALF of the working class of the nation only holds 15% of the wealth?? While only about 10% of the nation (the top dogs) holds almost 70% of the nations wealth?? this is not going to create jobs. the $ needs to go into the middle class's pockets bc they are the ones who stimulate small business with spending. U want to create jobs? pay the middle class more. Then, they will stop hoarding and saving their hard earned dollars, and start purchasing and using the wealth.
please see my last post in the Israel/palestinian issue thread for a comparison of this age old dynamic.
Man. you libs are the biggest bunch of back slappers