Ummm I honestly do not know enough about the reality of the situation day to day living in gaza, israel, egypt, lebanon, or iran to have any clue what should be done in this region. It's a **** show. My guess is that we will back whomever protects are interests in the region regardless of our "relationship with Israel" or any set of people's desire for democracy or theocracy.
Honestly I think alot of the anti israel sentiment comes from people disliking that which is in power, or that which can bully. But seriously if Canadians started lobbing rockets at buffalo, Detroit and Seattle. The US would most certainly entertain similar drastic measures.
Where I draw the line is the creation of settlements... those people just seem like *******s throwing gas on a fire. However All those countries did try and wipe Israel off the map. I wish they could be forced to accept the otiginal UN charter but good luck with that.
As for the stuff above that, yes, Ahmedinijad is a loose cannon. However, he's not one that can actually carry out anything. His real political power is minimal, as I understand it. It's tricky to draw an analogy to an American political position because we don't have a parliamentary system with a Prime Minister, instead combing the head of state and head of government roles into one President. Maybe it would be like the speaker of the house or the secretary of state, he's a person with the power to influence but not determine policy.
Dealing with your comments on others in the government disagreeing, as I recall that's pretty much how it went down in Iran after Ahmedinejad's comments. The Interior Minister immediately walked back his comments in 2006. The Prime Minister, their head of government, acknowledged the Holocaust as an historical fact, as did his chief foreign policy advisor. Link.
After a little more research, I am coming to agree with you on the nature of his comments. They're reprehensible. That said, we still disagree on their significance.Quote:
First paragraph. He has made multiple statements. Another one would be," Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury”. So no, it was not just one throw away quote.
On a tangent, let me ask this. If the situation were entirely reversed and Gaza and the West Bank were filled with impoverished, unemployed, virtually imprisoned Jews, and Israel was filled with Muslim Palestinians living a first-world life, what would world Jewish leaders be saying about the situation? Any possibility they would want to get rid of the state holding their fellow Jews?
The answer to your tangential question would be more of improving their lot by moving them to safer real estate. Look up the MS St. Louis.
This is not to say that I agree with your characterization of Gaza and the West Bank. The reality is not close to that in that they do have the ability to change their lot in life. This is not to say that Israel is without blame, it is just to say, this is not near as one sided as you painted it.
I do not want to derail this thread with a fuller discussion of this, I just did not want to give you the false impression that I agreed with your characterization. Should you care to carry this further, then another thread would be appropriate in my opinion.
If you prefer to answer my prior question about role reversal in the other thread, that's fine by me.