Manning 2004 vs. Brady 2007

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11-22-2012, 05:12 PM
alexander_37

Manning 2004 vs. Brady 2007

I am pretty sure many people consider Brady's 2007 campaign the best of any QB ever. I was in that category until I went back and looked a the stats in a debate I am having.

Volume stats

Brady 4806 yards 50 TD's

Manning 4557 yards 49 TD's

Brady broke Manning's single season TD record and threw for more yards but if you look at the efficiency numbers.

Brady 68.9 completion % 8.3 Y/A 8.7 TD%

Manning 67.6 completion % 9.2 Y/A 9.9 TD%

let me reiterate that one in every 10 passes went for a TD and almost every pass average a first down.... that's insane.

Last but not least Brady threw EIGHTY ONE more passes. So I guess it all boils down to whether you prefer efficiency or volume stats.
11-22-2012, 05:34 PM
NormSizedMidget

Are we assuming they played with the exact same offense. ;)
11-22-2012, 06:07 PM
subroc

I gave my vote to Brady. I follow the Patriots, so that is one reason. The other reason is yards, TDs, completion % and INTs. It is close enough that in the end there really is no wrong answer. These are two of the best QB to ever play the game playing at the height of their powers.

This should help:

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<PRE> Game Pass Rk Player Year Age Draft Tm Lg G GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Y/A SkYds AY/A ANY/A Y/G 1 Tom Brady 2007 30 6-199 NWE NFL 16 16 398 578 68.9% 4806 50 8 117.2 21 8.31 128 9.42 8.88 300.4 2 Peyton Manning 2004 28 1-1 IND NFL 16 16 336 497 67.6% 4557 49 10 121.1 13 9.17 101 10.24 9.78 284.8 </PRE>
11-22-2012, 06:14 PM
kozelkid

Quote:

Originally Posted by NormSizedMidget

Are we assuming they played with the exact same offense. ;)

Only if you're subroc. ;)
11-22-2012, 06:18 PM
subroc

Quote:

Originally Posted by kozelkid

Only if you're subroc. ;)

you are actually entitled to vote in this poll and make your case! really!
11-22-2012, 10:25 PM
alexander_37

Quote:

Originally Posted by subroc

I gave my vote to Brady. I follow the Patriots, so that is one reason. The other reason is yards, TDs, completion % and INTs. It is close enough that in the end there really is no wrong answer. These are two of the best QB to ever play the game playing at the height of their powers.

This should help:

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<PRE> Game Pass Rk Player Year Age Draft Tm Lg G GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Y/A SkYds AY/A ANY/A Y/G 1 Tom Brady 2007 30 6-199 NWE NFL 16 16 398 578 68.9% 4806 50 8 117.2 21 8.31 128 9.42 8.88 300.4 2 Peyton Manning 2004 28 1-1 IND NFL 16 16 336 497 67.6% 4557 49 10 121.1 13 9.17 101 10.24 9.78 284.8 </PRE>

So basically ignore efficiency??
11-23-2012, 12:14 AM
subroc

No, I don't ignore efficiency. I am not giving efficiency more than its due as a single data point in a full stat line as part of an evaluation. I weight INTs and completion % fairly high in an evaluation though. The TDs are a wash.
11-23-2012, 01:30 AM
alexander_37

Quote:

Originally Posted by subroc

No, I don't ignore efficiency. I am not giving efficiency more than its due as a single data point in a full stat line as part of an evaluation. I weight INTs and completion % fairly high in an evaluation though. The TDs are a wash.

So 2 interceptions and 1.3% completion rate makes up for the fact that at his pace, given the same amount of throws Manning would have had roughly 58 TD's and well over 5000 yards?
11-23-2012, 06:54 AM
subroc

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexander_37

So 2 interceptions and 1.3% completion rate makes up for the fact that at his pace, given the same amount of throws Manning would have had roughly 58 TD's and well over 5000 yards?

But, he didn't.

Look, taking a data point and trying to establish what it "might" mean and then using that "might" as a conclusion to dismiss everything else is...well...a bit silly really.

I try to live in the real world.
11-23-2012, 07:08 AM
LegendX

Marino's '84 season >>> All.
11-23-2012, 08:24 AM
subroc

Worth a review, sorted by passer rating, filter includes 105 passer rating or greater, over 100 completions and 14 games:

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<PRE> Game Pass Rk Player Year Age Draft Tm Lg G GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Y/A SkYds AY/A ANY/A Y/G 1 Aaron Rodgers 2011 28 1-24 GNB NFL 15 15 343 502 68.3% 4643 45 6 122.5 36 9.25 219 10.50 9.39 309.5 2 Peyton Manning 2004 28 1-1 IND NFL 16 16 336 497 67.6% 4557 49 10 121.1 13 9.17 101 10.24 9.78 284.8 3 Tom Brady 2007 30 6-199 NWE NFL 16 16 398 578 68.9% 4806 50 8 117.2 21 8.31 128 9.42 8.88 300.4 4 Steve Young* 1994 33 1-1 SFO NFL 16 16 324 461 70.3% 3969 35 10 112.8 31 8.61 163 9.15 8.24 248.1 5 Tom Brady 2010 33 6-199 NWE NFL 16 16 324 492 65.9% 3900 36 4 111.0 25 7.93 175 9.02 8.25 243.8 6 Daunte Culpepper 2004 27 1-11 MIN NFL 16 16 379 548 69.2% 4717 39 11 110.9 46 8.61 238 9.13 8.02 294.8 7 Drew Brees 2011 32 2-32 NOR NFL 16 16 468 657 71.2% 5476 46 14 110.6 24 8.33 158 8.78 8.23 342.3 8 Drew Brees 2009 30 2-32 NOR NFL 15 15 363 514 70.6% 4388 34 11 109.6 20 8.54 135 8.90 8.31 292.5 9 Otto Graham* 1947 26 1-4 CLE AAFC 14 9 163 269 60.6% 2753 25 11 109.2 10.23 10.25 196.6 10 Kurt Warner 1999 28 STL NFL 16 16 325 499 65.1% 4353 41 13 109.2 29 8.72 201 9.19 8.31 272.1 11 Dan Marino* 1984 23 1-27 MIA NFL 16 16 362 564 64.2% 5084 48 17 108.9 13 9.01 120 9.36 8.94 317.8 12 Brett Favre 2009 40 2-33 MIN NFL 16 16 363 531 68.4% 4202 33 7 107.2 34 7.91 247 8.56 7.61 262.6 13 Steve Young* 1992 31 1-1 SFO NFL 16 16 268 402 66.7% 3465 25 7 107.0 29 8.62 152 9.08 8.12 216.6 14 Randall Cunningham 1998 35 2-37 MIN NFL 15 14 259 425 60.9% 3704 34 10 106.0 20 8.72 132 9.26 8.54 246.9 15 Tom Brady 2011 34 6-199 NWE NFL 16 16 401 611 65.6% 5235 39 12 105.6 32 8.57 173 8.96 8.25 327.2 16 Philip Rivers 2008 27 1-4 SDG NFL 16 16 312 478 65.3% 4009 34 11 105.5 25 8.39 151 8.77 8.04 250.6 17 Bart Starr* 1966 32 17-200 GNB NFL 14 13 156 251 62.2% 2257 14 3 105.0 8.99 9.57 161.2 </PRE>
11-23-2012, 09:06 AM
Pinstripe power

gabbert
11-23-2012, 11:24 AM
Bigdaddyburch

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexander_37

I am pretty sure many people consider Brady's 2007 campaign the best of any QB ever. I was in that category until I went back and looked a the stats in a debate I am having.

Volume stats

Brady 4806 yards 50 TD's

Manning 4557 yards 49 TD's

Brady broke Manning's single season TD record and threw for more yards but if you look at the efficiency numbers.

Brady 68.9 completion % 8.3 Y/A 8.7 TD%

Manning 67.6 completion % 9.2 Y/A 9.9 TD%

let me reiterate that one in every 10 passes went for a TD and almost every pass average a first down.... that's insane.

Last but not least Brady threw EIGHTY ONE more passes. So I guess it all boils down to whether you prefer efficiency or volume stats.

Hmmm Actually I dont. I would take Marino in his second season. Reason because he played before the rule changes. No way either Brady or Manning would do what Marino did if they had to play in 84.

Now as far as who I would pick. Easy Brady had the better year and actually has outplayed Manning his whole career.
11-23-2012, 01:21 PM
Patriot Pride

Brady's second MVP season was more impressive I think. He played a bunch of good defenses that year and roasted most of them. Had a terrible defense, recovering Welker, 2 rookie tight ends, and UDFA's Woodhead and Green-Ellis as his backs.
11-23-2012, 01:51 PM
alexander_37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigdaddyburch

Hmmm Actually I dont. I would take Marino in his second season. Reason because he played before the rule changes. No way either Brady or Manning would do what Marino did if they had to play in 84.

Now as far as who I would pick. Easy Brady had the better year and actually has outplayed Manning his whole career.

Any reasons other than "I just think so "

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