1. I know it was arbitrary and based on nothing. Hence me bringing that up.Quote:
I actually just used 75 as an arbitrary number based on nothing at all If the cubs had 3 pitchers of the Wood, Prior, Zambrano category or even 3 players on this team with that sort of potential and talent I'd be fine trying to add free agents to it. They also had Aramis Rameriez who they stole from the pirates. If they wanna go steal another player I'm fine with that too.
2. They have two of this completely arbitrary three - Castro and Rizzo. Not only that, but as positional talents they're far safer long term bets than 22 year old pitchers.
Number of times Prior/Wood/Zambrano did that together: twice.
# of times they did that without one guy bringing more than half of that value: once.
Went with rWAR since I just happened to have it open on the 2003 roster.
The rotation peaked in '03, never coming close to that again. By '05, Zambrano was peaking, Wood was on the way out of the rotation, and Prior was bringing the sad.
Gato: I've never seen you ask that question personally, that said......I WANT the Cubs to bring in core members NOW. Where we differ is in the "who", not the "when". If possible, I'd love to get a Delgado, Casey Kelly, Mike Olt, Martin Perez, etc type(s) this offseason. As for how long you wait on Castro/Rizzo? Again, theres no clear answer there. It depends on the next wave of moves obviously. I think our disagreement centers on the ages of what we want added here. You want the 28-30 year old additions now(not trying yo put words in your mouth, but thats what I'm getting out of this) while I want the 22-25 year olds added now. Let them play and let them dictate when the major spending begins. Could be 2014, could be 2015. I've obviously got more confidence in this than you do. I guess I look more at their track record and your group looks more at the Cubs and others past in attempting this. It's certainly not that I want to never spend big, I'm just wanting to pick my spots because we're not conceivably close right now. Ask me this time next year, I may be clamoring for big signings by then, dependent on how some of our group plays in 2013.
Getting sosa was like the equivalent of getting a much younger jose bautista. He was bad when they got him
And yes, acquiring MLB talent is a good thing, you've never seen anyone post anything against that idea. However, to acquire MLB talent, you first need a minor league system able to, not only deal for that MLB talent, you need an minor league system that can also sustain the hit of trading that minor league talent.
Sadly, the Cubs have neither right now. All of their talent is in A ball or lower which is a recipe for overpayment (as in, sending far too much). Other teams want players in higher levels - they're safer. Secondly, even if we were able to blow our wad and get (insert high level player) right now, you'd have little to nothing left to make any supporting moves and really run the risk of killing the system. Trade the wrong combination of A-ball prospects, and you may only be left with the ones that were going to burn out. It's safer to have high level prospects, as well, it's safer to trade them. Our coffers are finally beginning to fill again. Blowing it this early, to me, seems silly. Especially when our MLB roster doesn't feature Mark Prior, Kerry Wood, Carlos Zambrano, Sammy Sosa and Moises Alou which is what that team already had when they went trading for Ramirez, Lofton, Clement, Alfonseca, and Gonzalez. Our team has much less then that, both in the minors to support those trades, and in the majors to back those trades up with a winner. We're not devoid, just in my opinion, not at the correct time to make the moves necessary to sustain major MLB talent acquisition through trading right now.
Should we look into trades? Yes. Should we venture and explore all opportunities? Yes. I'm not saying to ignore MLB talent. But you need to make smart trades, and ones in which you're not gutting yourself. What I'm saying is, I don't think the team's in place to make a play on J.Upton or Price via trade, but I do think a Lonnie Chisenhall type of a trade is possible. And something I'd be a fan of.
Actually, when I did you called it inane rambling IIRC.Quote:
Gato: I've never seen you ask that question personally, that said
I want talent now, I don't care how old they are because talent is talent is talent.Quote:
You want the 28-30 year old additions now(not trying yo put words in your mouth, but thats what I'm getting out of this) while I want the 22-25 year olds added now.
What makes those guys core talents besides age and hype? Olt is a 24 year old glove and power 3B with a questionable hit tool who probably needs to spend some time in AAA. Delgado, Kelly, and Perez are nice arms who need plenty of work themselves. I would welcome any of those players to the Cubs so you're not any different there. The team still needs more than maybes.Quote:
If possible, I'd love to get a Delgado, Casey Kelly, Mike Olt, Martin Perez, etc type(s) this offseason.
Castro's been a strong talent for 3 years now. Rizzo looked polished and very talented upon his callup this year. How much more do they need to dictate? They need to make this a .500 team by themselves before it's OK? "The" major spending is not how I see it...a major spending makes more sense, since it would be doubtful this is last time they spend some money.Quote:
Let them play and let them dictate when the major spending begins.
I still want answers on the core questions. Core is such a big deal for you guys, but no one can tell me what it is, whether it's rigid or fluid, and so on. I think the most important question I asked there centered on Barney - a clearly solid player making pennies for the time being.
Also, nothing specific on how many constitutes a core? Or how long a core should be expected to be together?