GET YOUR CRAP TOGETHER BETTMEN/FEHR. WE WANT HOCKEY!!!!! :mad:
GET YOUR CRAP TOGETHER BETTMEN/FEHR. WE WANT HOCKEY!!!!! :mad:
i dont know if its just me, but this CBA struggle has been so vague with the details.
I know the revenue sharing % between the owners and players will always be the top dilemma, but contracts over 5 years are now a problem? who's even fighting to end them? Teams get a discounted cap and players get job security...
But I havent heard ANYTHING of interest being discussed, like an amnesty clause, non guaranteed contracts, contract restructuring abilities.
But in the end, its not the players or the owners that suffer, its the people that make modest salaries working in the industry, whether its making popcorn, cleaning the bathrooms, selling tickets, etc, those people are temporarily unemployed. And this **** is so disrespectful to the fans that its disgusting.
What I cant stand is if you ahve season tickets, if you miss any games, they dont refund you. They say they will apply it to the playoffs or next season. To me that is really presumptious... My team might not make the playoffs, and I might not want season tickets next year...
Also the players will collect something like 15% of their salaries from an escrow account. So the players are getting paid while not playing, plus they can sign in Europe, the owners have already been paid this season by our season tickets.... A lockout really doesnt hurt anyone but the fans.
I understand that in order to put a good quality product on the ice, teams need to be profitable, but what I dont understand is why it has to wait to the last minute and involve the threat of no season to get it done. It's dirty business. I hope the NHL wins in this as they want a 10 year deal while the PA want a 4 year deal.... I woudl rather wait 10 years before this happens again.
The main issue is how far apart each side is on basically everything. The owners simply want to make sure small-market teams can't get screwed out of big-name, high-price players due to ridiculous heavily front-loaded contracts (Weber, Parise, Suter), as well as (and probably mostly) they're sick of teams losing money. By implementing a lower salary cap and shorter contracts that cannot be front-loaded, it enables small-market teams to be more competitive. The only downside to this...it hurts the teams that do have the money to put a star-caliber lineup on the ice. It sucks, but it would make more teams competitive and cause a lot more exciting end-of-the-season runs, among other benefits. The opposite could also happen though. Teams will be so evenly matched it makes the game boring. We could have another "Dead Puck Era" on our hands if the NHLPA gives in to the Owners' demands. Not to mention players will have to start taking pay cuts if they want to play on good teams. It's a shame, really, because hockey has been so good the last 3-4 years, with the exception of teams that haven't been good in years (Oilers, Leafs, Blue Jackets, Flames...to name a few). But I guess that's what the owners are trying to fix.
I understand that it's a slap in the face to us, the fans, but you also have to look at it from the Owners' perspective. Without competitive hockey, and these ridiculous contracts that owners keep handing out, you will see exactly what you see in other sports. You will have the same group of dominant teams every year, and then randomly the wildcard teams will pop up out of nowhere that get hot at the right time. In other sports the same teams make the playoffs virtually every year, and it takes years and years for other team to rebuild. And when they finally get good the salaries and contracts end up costing them so much it screws the team over in the long run. Now I'm not saying that's a bad thing, and I'm certainly not saying hockey isn't competitive, but I think the owners want it to be generally competitive with every team, for money's sake. To them the league would be much better if every team was competitive. But on the flip-side the players feel they should then be getting a larger percentage of Hockey Related Revenue towards their salaries based on the fact that they're the ones fans come to see play night after night. Then it becomes a catch-22 because that requires higher salaries and longer contracts.
It's really impossible for everyone to come out of this happy. But based on how the owners basically got punched in the nuts with the last CBA, there's no way they're going to back down now. I'm honestly surprised by how much the NHLPA has backed down with the proposals, and I'm even more surprised that the league has dismissed them. I expected them to be strong and not budge a whole lot, but the players really have been quite generous with their proposals.
god forbid they find a compromise where the fans win...
Oh boy, now with a looming lock out, Bettman gets a huge raise? I guess its a reward for having 2 lockouts earlier in his career and a possible third one..... genius move by those owners.
I think they should give out free tickets to the first 5 games of the season for this ********...and a free copy of NHL 13....and...ummm..a jersey of our choice!! DAMNIT!!
The owners are being greedy. Last time I was firmly on their side, but this time, the owners are just being rediculous. They saw the NFL and NBA get fat deals and they want some of that pie.
The Penguins did it, sucking for a couple years and loaded up with Crosby, Malkin, and Fluery. Oilers are probably next to complete the cycle. We also saw Florida become a legit team with no real stars, just a change in their coaching.
they should be able to ask for whatever they want ...
the joke is that the NHL, NFL, MLB, etc. all have unions ... unions were made to protect workers in the 1890s - 1920s from deplorable conditions in meat packing and coal mining ... the fact that they have unions and collective barganing is a travesty ...
owners should guarentee contracts with individuals, not a group
owners making a league with rules is perfectly legal ... employees (players) thinking they should be entitled to cuts of profits besides what they make in salary and benefits (401k, health care, etc.) is BOGUS
not to politize hockey - but this is america and maximizing profits is why people are in business, not to whipe everyone's a$s and tell people it is special ...
when you own a business and you make the rules, what gives the employees the right to challenge your rules ... they earn a salary ... if they don't like the rules or the money, don't play ... the game will go on
meaning - TAKE THE DEAL NHLPA and let's play