Raps08-09 Champ, don't bother anymore. When you're speaking to someone who already has his heels dug in, you're just going to end up going in circles. Don't drive yourself crazy.......
Lolol. I know JB doesn't know ****. I just want to see how far he'll go.
Are you even following anymore?
We are talking about the difference between Cavs and Spurs management.
I'm arguing 1 thing: That the Cavs didn't bring Lebron top talent help when it mattered (in his prime years) while contenders brought over top talent or had players capable of developing into a top 30 player. Lebron never had a top 30-40 player during his prime years and didn't have anyone capable of developing into one because Cavs management doesn't equate to front offices of other contenders.
For a contending team, the Cavs probably had one of the worst coaching staffs, worst supporting cast in terms of talent to surround their star, one of the worst front offices and one of the worst owners.
How'd Duncan make them better? They were responsible for their own development. Duncan made it easier but they certainly had the capabilities to become the exact same player without Duncan. Lebron's certainly ball dominant, but he's never had a young talent that actually had the capability of becoming a top 30-40 talent.
But this doesn't really have anything to do with my original point when I first started. Duncan didn't create the Spurs. Management did. Lebron didn't create the Cavs. Management did. Hence why the Spurs won and the Cavs couldn't get over the hump: because the Cavs weren't as good as Spurs management.
This question is difficult to answer at this point. Duncan got his team 4 titles and decent longevity while ending up as a top 10 Player to play. Lebron at this point is on pace to get to that kind of level. His longevity and his ability to win will decide his place in history. If we could win another 3 titles, Id place him above Duncan on the all time list. But as to who you would pick for your franchise, its difficult to say since Duncan is already accomplished while Lebron is in his prime trying to accomplish the same success.
I'd probably take Duncan to build a franchise. The guy just dominated Both ends of the Floor like very few ever did, still can't believe he never got DPOY honors. But it could very well be that LeBron will be the easy pick after we know how his career plays out.
- "how is it definitely Lebron?"
- "because he's better"
Tim Duncan won Finals MVP in 2003 with Stephen Jackson as his 2nd best player.
When Lebron James takes a giant turd on the rest of the league like that, let me know.
Lebron when he joined Bosh and Wade destroyed his chances of being "the man".