Oversimplified version: republican policies are very unfavorable to poor people. Black people (and minorities in general) are more likely to be poor.
Oops. Did no properly read the whole thread.
Really you don't think historical issues matter?
I've seen plenty of black folks who watch political shows, but then again I am running with a crowd of edjucated liberals. If I were to base my opinion on just what I see around me i would say that black people pay more attention than white people. But I'm not naive enough to base my opinion on the truth in the world solely on personal experience.
My guess is you are not paying attention or you are only looking for things that confirm our own world view. Regardless, if You had an honest curiosity you wouldn't preface it with crap.
This discussion thus far has been really well framed. The historical context of the transition of both parties over the last half century or more, I wish we could ahve gone through this in previous threads a year or two ago when this came up before.
I will say that we have to discuss the incredibly high percentage of the african american vote Obama has. I always get a bit skiddish when discussing voters by race. But the statistics for the african american vote for Obama were just reported as being at 87% compared with 5% for Romney. How often do we see these statistics? In the 2008 election he had over 90% (same source). When does any group of any kind vote with that kind of unity? For me, it leads me to question what the source of this is. Is Romney really that bad? Hardly. Is Obama that good? Please.
I am left to wonder if it isn't about who sells them the snake oil better? The african american vote is hardly unique in that regard, so the statistics still aren't answered. There is something special, something unique to this. I just truggle to grasp intellectually that a people grouped together only by race would vote with such a singular mind. It's a kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. If you say it is legitimate that african americans vote with one mind, is that racist? If you ignore it, you are destined to lose the election. Which tells me something about the way I am approaching the issue needs to change.
Wonder how other non-white and non-mainstream groups (gays, pro-abortionist, feminist) vote?
Just a guess here, but gay people vote mainly democrat. but i doubt it's as skewed as your figures for African Americans. Rich people vote mainly GOP, but again i doubt it's as skewed. Voting for someone you see as positive, that supports your views, seems less of a compelling reason than voting against someone you fear.
JMO, but the huge difference in the voting levels says more about the GOP than the Democrats. Guess that is the point I'm trying to make. Looking for a reason like the Democrats are better snake oil salesmen is looking for the wrong reason in the wrong place.
But it would be foolish to make a generalization from the small numbers of people I have socialize with.
But it's not just blacks for example, if your white and you don't like black people or you gonna vote GOP or DEM? I mean really, we all know the answer to that. The biggest problem the GOP has is guilt by association. Every rascist piece if trash is gonna vote GOP....they are also the loudest ones. Did anybody see on tv when the Hispanic people were protesting the Arizona law and the people out there supporting and by extension the Group that came up with it. We're spraying them wit Lysol and all that mess like because they were hispanic they were dirty or diseased. An the problem is even though everybody out there is not like that, they don't shut it down and tell them to get out of here with that kinda ****. So people minorities perceive that they agree with it. The bigots or the loudest group in the GOP.
Personal experience is allways biased and limited. I'd suggest reading and thinking about Wes's response.
Ignoring history is fine... You don't accept the answer as "real" fine... But blacks were oppressed, then legislation was passed to ensure equal rights... They have some loyalty to that party. And it's not hard to know who racists vote for. If you hate blacks, gays, Jews or Hispanics you are really really likely to vote republican. (note I'm not saying all republicans hold this view point) If you are a black, Jew gay or Hispanic what else do you need to know about the parties?