Ops

I have a question..

We all know ops is a pretty flawed stat as it combines slg/obp evenly and obp is the more important stat. For example a .400 obp/.400 slg has much more value than a player with a .300 obp/.500 slg

So my question is, does anyone know how much more value OBP has over slg?? How much more should obp be taken into account for a better measure?

Check out wOBA, you'll like what you learn better :)

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

Check out wOBA, you'll like what you learn better :)

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Been reading up on it, looks like the least flawed stat ive comer accross. Why isn't it used more often?

I use it constantly. Fangraphs uses it constantly.

I know other posters do too.

Just not well known enough yet.

OBP isn't the more important stat, SLG actually correlates to runs better than OBP. However, 1 pt of OBP is worth more than 1 pt of SLG, and that's why it's not great to add them together.

wOBA is the attempt to fix SLG and OBP by including every event(SLG leaves out BB, as well as others) and weighting their value properly. For example, in SLG a HR is worth the same as two doubles. In reality, 2 doubles is more valuable than one HR.

This is PSD, stats means nothing

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Originally Posted by Pinstripe power

This is PSD, stats means nothing

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Yyyup. Blue jays forum uses beards to judge a players performance lol

There is no one single stat that is going to let you judge a player accurately, they're ALL flawed (yes, even the mighty WAR), it's by looking at all the stats overall and taking them in as a package, and looking at what a player looks like on the field as well.

WAR is more flawed than OPS.

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Originally Posted by jon32

Yyyup. Blue jays forum uses beards to judge a players performance lol

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If you've got a better way I'd like to hear it

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Originally Posted by Kelly Gruber

There is no one single stat that is going to let you judge a player accurately, they're ALL flawed (yes, even the mighty WAR), it's by looking at all the stats overall and taking them in as a package, and looking at what a player looks like on the field as well.

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Offense is a lot easier to measure then defense, pitching, or anything else in the game.

You can measure offense because every action has a direct impact on the goal, which is to score runs. There are exactly four bases, and each base is a percentage to that goal.

Offense can be measured, wOBA does the best job of anything (although not park and league adjusted) and wRC+ covers the latter issues.

The formula for wOBA changes every year based on the success of each walk, single, hbp, double etc to the frequency of scoring runs that season in relation to the league average OBP. It is measurable, because you can tell directly how much doing each action helps your team succeed.

It's one of the best at being accurate of any statistics. Defensive statistics are difficult to judge and have inaccuracies, pitching as well. But wOBA is going to be pretty close.

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

Offense is a lot easier to measure then defense, pitching, or anything else in the game.

You can measure offense because every action has a direct impact on the goal, which is to score runs. There are exactly four bases, and each base is a percentage to that goal.

Offense can be measured, wOBA does the best job of anything (although not park and league adjusted) and wRC+ covers the latter issues.

The formula for wOBA changes every year based on the success of each walk, single, hbp, double etc to the frequency of scoring runs that season in relation to the league average OBP. It is measurable, because you can tell directly how much doing each action helps your team succeed.

It's one of the best at being accurate of any statistics. Defensive statistics are difficult to judge and have inaccuracies, pitching as well. But wOBA is going to be pretty close.

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Point is stats are like bikinis. They show a lot, but not everything.

Except a bikini reveals everything when removed.

/in before move to sabrmetrics forum :dance:

Since walks helps a players OPS why doesn't strike outs have any type negative effect.

Case in point is Mike Napoli who is hitting about .235 but his OPS remains at about .800 because he has a pretty good walk rate (OBP). What his OPS doesn't tell you is he SO at about a 30% rate.

Just wondered if there is a stat that shows a little clearer picture or more objective look at what a player is doing.