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Anyone who has peyton manning is confused, cuz without his recievers, hes just a switchitter throwing a ball. Brady works with **** and still get's er done.
Before this season, Bradys best reciever was deion branch. So is branch better then reggie wayne? No. Therefore stating, brady, until last season, has never had a better first string then manning has had a second.
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Patrick Willis was great because he plays in a ****** defense IMO.
I agree, just because you get a ton of tackles doesn't make you a defensive leader, however, the rest of your points are incredibly wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by justhaze
First off, Willis does deserve the praise he's been given, he's a beast. He was a Rookie Pro-Bowler and he was named to the All-Pro team as well...
And the Pass Rushing OLB isn't more important than a quality MLB in a 3-4. The MLB is the central playmaker and is almost single handedly responsible for stopping the run. He's so important the DT's job is to free him up to make plays.
And a perfect example is the Championship Ravens team lol. Who do you think was more important in that Defense RAY LEWIS or Peter Boulware?...
I'll take Mario Williams
That's an awful example. The Ravens didn't run a 3-4. Let's look at the Steelers SB win instead. Who was more valuable? Joey Porter or James Farrior?Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
The Answer? Casey Hampton.
Vince Young or AP. I'd want to start with a young Offensive superstar, if we could choose guys in their prime it would definetly be (Peyton)Manning hands down.
Definetly not Brady who is a very very very successful product of billicheck.
Yes he played in every single game, but he didnt start every game. Did you not read the part where Jonathan Vilma was the starter? Harris would spell Vilma for 5-6 plays a game...Vilma was a machine that never came off the field, the Saints got a steal..Look at the tackle increase when he actually started...Quote:
Originally Posted by curtisjr08
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Originally Posted by valade16
How is he better physically? Isn't that opinion, not fact?
Harris is 6-2, 240
Willis is 6-1 242
I didnt know 1 inch or 2 pounds made a difference?
Harris would have lead the league in tackles if he started from day 1. He averaged just over 11 tackles a game IN WHICH HE STARTED, which would give him 181 over 16 games. Willis averaged only 10.8 a game.
Yeah he shut Peterson down, but Chester Taylor ran for 101 yards on 8 carries..hmmmmmmmm
For the second best young LB in the game I would guess you'd at least know his name? you mean DeMeco Ryans? Nice work..
Just because YOU believe Willis is the best young lb in the game doesnt mean that its "lunacy" for me to believe Harris is..Theres valid numbers to support my arguement..its not like I pulled this out of my ***. We'll see this year who puts up better numbers when both players play 16 games..
Eliii errr....Peyton Manning a QB is needed =]
Harris:Quote:
Originally Posted by younggunn113
4.59 40 yard dash
33 Inch Vertical jump
23 Bench press repetitions
7.25 3 cone drill
4.29 20 yard shuttle
8-foot-11 Broad jump
Willis:
40 Yrd Dash: 4.51
Vertical Jump: 39
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 22
3-Cone Drill: 7.23
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.46
Broad Jump: 09'11"
Everything except the 20 Yard Shuttle and one rep on the Bench Willis is better at. I'd say that is physically better.
How do you know? There is NO WAY you could know he would have kept up that production while still KEEPING the same production.
That is an awful example from both ends, 11 men played them. It wasn't AP vs. Willis and AP vs. Taylor.
Osi baby!!
or Demarcus
Start with young stud QBs, Roethlisberger or E.Manning.
AP, LT, Brady, Manning
Might I add Harris has a faster 20 yard dash and the same 10 yard dash as Willis? You can talk about the 40 yard dash all you want, but how often do LBs really run 40 yards? Ill take the 20 yard time as being more important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramon Nivar
Just cause youre faster and can jump higher doesnt mean youre better though, and everything is way to close to make it seem like it would make any kind of difference. Theres a difference between running speed and game speed...Everyone has the biggest boners over Willis. Im not saying hes bad by any means, I think he is a fantastic player and will be for the next decade. I just want to show people that he's not head and shoulders over other LBs his age and he does have competition.
Theres also NO WAY you can say Harris wouldnt keep up his production. Thats why i worked with the numbers that were given. Those averages I came up with are FACT. You can't argue fact. So lets look at it this way then...
SINCE HARRIS BECAME A STARTER (9 Games) :
Harris- 102 Tackles 5 Sacks
Willis- 101 Tackles 4 Sacks
You can't argue those numbers, those are, again, fact. So then I can say David Harris was the best rookie LB for the last 9 games of last season.
I agree with your last point about it being 11 v 11 but it was stated that Willis single handily shut down AP. I was just proving a point.
DeMarcus Ware
Wow, I was going to pick Big Ben. Already the 3rd best QB in the league, and will improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramon Nivar