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    Yeah, I mean you are talking about stuff that doesn't really have to do with calling plays. So Manning could still be given that set of 3 plays and not read the coverage right because he's not on the same page. It's similar with what happens with Brady and the Pats offense. Both are timing based and both teams run pretty complex offenses.
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    I think the whole Manning calling his plays thing is way overblown to be honest. First, I think Tom Moore is extremely important. He wanted to retire 2 seasons ago I believe and Manning begged him to come back. They have a great relationship. The other thing I've heard is that he is actually given a set of 3 plays from which he chooses one. That is not calling your own plays. That is picking out of 3 based on coverages, blitzes etc. I'll try to find the article where I read that. But the unfortunate thing is we'll probably never know the real truth because the Colts organization won't say.
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    Yup, I saw those numbers. The interesting thing? Brady's numbers could very well be better by the end of the year, at least with the way both are trending. But the unfortunate thing is that people have the beginning of their (statistical) careers stamped in their minds.
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    So remember that thread where you, Jaji and me were discussing Brady vs. Manning. Well, I think my sig is really bothering Jaji. Check out the message he posted on my wall. I'm not really sure how I'm contradicting myself. I mean I didn't say Brady was above the team.
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    Yeah, I thought the Red Sox would pay him more to get him on a shorter deal (5 years). There's no way I could have predicted that a team would be stupid enough to pay him $18 million a year over 7 years though. That's just insane.
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    Although, Brady has been better since 2007 using Football Outsiders' DVOA and DYAR. Obviously, those are complicated stats. But what I do like about them is they adjust for down and distance, score, etc. But the question becomes, how much do you trust those statistics (for example, how do they come up with their points system beyond what they say on their site, an example would be nice). I hope to purchase their almanac at some point. And then I should be able to better explain their statistics. But the logic behind what they do is sound.
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    Ah ok, I do see the edge for Peyton statistically (and even using those advanced stats from FO show it pre 2007) but I do think the effect of the WRs, playoffs and cold weather vs. what Manning has puts Brady ahead of Manning. Those are some external factors that can't be ignored.

    And from what I've read, Manning doesn't actually call his own plays. He gets a set of 3 plays and he chooses 1 at the line. I don't know where I read that but I'll try to find the link.
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    lol did you notice how Jaji didn't even bother to respond to my post about Peyton's attempts 21+ yards vs. Brady's?
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    Hey, I just had a question for you. I'm not interested in bringing it up in that other thread because well, I'm done arguing Brady vs. Manning in the NFL Forum.

    But I was curious, do you believe Manning and Brady are equal or do you believe Manning is better? Because I've seen you state both.
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    u got to give me credit though...i almost convinced you haha
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