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  1. You are up in the all-time re-draft.
  2. (SF) : Ballot
    1: Larry Bird
    2: Lebron James
    3: Julius Erving
    4: Elgin Baylor
    5: John Havlicek
    6: Scottie Pippen
    7: Dominique Wilkins
    8: Paul Pierce
    9: Rick Barry
    10: James Worthy
    11: Alex English
    12: Bernard King
    13: Grant Hill
    14: Adrian Dantley
    15: Vince Carter

    Moved Lebron up a bit.
  3. Im finishing up the G.O.A.T. Project, wanted to know if you wanted to make any changes to your Top-15?

    This was your list last year;

    (PG) : Ballot
    1: Magic Johnson
    2: Oscar Robertson
    3: John Stockton
    4: Isiah Thomas
    5: Walt Frazier
    6: Gary Payton
    7: Jason Kidd
    8: Steve Nash
    9: Chris Paul
    10: Bob Cousy
    11: Kevin Johnson
    12: Dennis Johnson
    13: Chauncey Billups
    14: Nate Archibald
    15: Mo Cheeks

    (SG) : Ballot
    1: Michael Jordan
    2: Kobe Bryant
    3: Jerry West
    4: Clyde Drexler
    5: George Gervin
    6: Dwyane Wade
    7: Sidney Moncrief
    8: Reggie Miller
    9: Manu Ginobili
    10: Tracy McGrady
    11: Allen Iverson
    12: Joe Dumars
    13: Pete Maravich
    14: Ray Allen
    15: Earl Monroe
  4. (SF) : Ballot
    1: Larry Bird
    2: Julius Erving
    3: John Havlicek
    4: Elgin Baylor
    5: Scottie Pippen
    6: Lebron James
    7: Dominique Wilkins
    8: Paul Pierce
    9: Rick Barry
    10: James Worthy
    11: Alex English
    12: Bernard King
    13: Grant Hill
    14: Adrian Dantley
    15: Vince Carter

    (PF) : Ballot
    1: Tim Duncan
    2: Charles Barkley
    3: Kevin Garnett
    4: Karl Malone
    5: Bob Pettit
    6: Dirk Nowitzki
    7: Kevin McHale
    8: Chris Webber
    9: Elvin Hayes
    10: Pau Gasol
    11: Bob McAdoo
    12: Shawn Kemp
    13: Dave Cowens
    14: Dennis Rodman
    15: Dolph Schayes

    (C) : Ballot
    1: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
    2: Wilt Chamberlein
    3: Shaquille O'Neal
    4: Hakeem Olajuwon
    5: David Robinson
    6: Moses Malone
    7: Bill Russell
    8: Patrick Ewing
    9: Willis Reed
    10: Bill Walton
    11: Dwight Howard
    12: Robert Parish
    13: Alonzo Mourning
    14: Wes Unseld
    15: George Mikan
  5. Project Update: We've Moved

    Details Here
  6. Hey Im still resolving the forum issue and still collecting Top15 Ballots, in the meantime Im posting to all those who have already contributed to the project

    This is by no means a priority because I dont want to ask for everything from you guys all at once but it is an option for those who want some kind of basketball stimulation while also making it easier for me to post these results online
    On top of rating the best players, Im doing the same for its best teams (international too) coaches and teammates.

    By teammates I mean the best combos that have played together, the top Back-Courts (PG/SG), Best Forward Tandem (SF-PF), Best Front-Courts (SF/PC/C), Best SwingMen Tandems (SG/SF), Best Twin-Towers (PF/C), and the Greatest Lil-Man/Big-Man combos (PG & PF/C).

    If your interested in filling out your Top 5 in any of the categories mentioned above feel free to PM me or post on the forum or my profile. If you have any suggestions for rating concepts please provide it as well.
  7. Project Update:
    Members added, ballots ready to be received, and social club has been created in the interim


    Ive created this forum for us while we wait for a response from all potential members, in the mean time you can submit your ballot there, or through PM.

    2:1 members are saying positional ranks are the way to start, most also agree a simplified ballot would be best.

    (POS) : Ballot

    You can submit your Ballot at your leisure but it should be a complete ballot for the Top-15 Players you can think of at whichever position you wish to submit first.

    If the task of properly ranking the Top-15 players at each position as a starting point seems steep, your thinking too much of it. This is just to establish a baseline pecking order so that the poll options can be narrowed down to the majority favored. The beautiful thing about this project is that if you happen to forget someone or under/over value an individual player, there are still 40ish other members who could find him worth mentioning.

    When the votes are tallied, the results will not be limited to 15 Players but every player who received a vote.

    Once again thanks for the help fellas, the credibility of this project gos to **** without the collective efforts of PSDs best. Have a good weekend, hopefully come Monday the voting can start.
  8. I think doing a player by position ranking where each submits a top 15 list for each position would work best. The player by position ranking would be more specific and the top 15 list per position would help speed things up.
  9. ----------------- New Post Alert ---------------------

    GOAT Project Members
    sixer04fan --76'ers
    Swashcuff -- 76'ers
    kingbrentg -- Bulls
    JordansBulls -- Bulls
    Iggz53 -- Bulls
    abe_froman -- Bulls
    ChiSox219 -- Bulls
    Corey -- Celtics
    Chronz - Clippers
    SteBO -- Heat
    daleja424 -- Heat
    Catfish1314 -- Kings
    29$jersey -- Knicks
    roshan3ai -- Knicks
    patsSOXknicks -- Knicks
    Wilson -- Lakers
    Bruno -- Lakers
    chacarronsau -- Lakers
    ARMIN12NBA -- Lakers
    lakers4sho -- Lakers
    DenButsu -- Nuggets
    ink - Raptors
    Raps08-09 Champ -- Raptors
    sep11ie -- Rockets
    mightybosstone -- Rockets
    JPHX -- Suns
    Bishnoff -- Suns
    Hawkeye15 -- T'Wolves
    WSU Tony -- T'Wolves
    tredigs -- Warriors

    Voting System
    For Positional: 6
    (Raps08-09 Champ, abe_froman, Iggz53, ebbs, sixer04fan, sep11ie, kingbrentg)
    For Overall: 4
    (Corey, Swashcuff, JB, Denbutsu)

    PS: In order to erase the complaints associated with MHC's method, when it comes time to vote for the best period, I will post the Top3 vote getters even tho I think it wont be necessary.

    Once the voting system is settled on, we have to agree on a scoring system, electoral system or some sort of ballot.

    Ebbs mentioned the idea of a PTS system similar to ESPN's where everyone has a Top(10-15)Ballot, they submit their Top players at that position. The votes are tallied and weighed according to their draft status (#1 gets the full 15PTS, #2 get 14, #3 gets 13 and so on...), the pros to this are that it will speed up the initial process considerably.
    The arbitrary #'s could lead to some iffy results for the positions segment of the project, but since the initial stages are meant only to establish some sort of associative balance, this should not effect the process of selecting the best overall.

    If we go with the Overall system we will copy JB's system to a near T. Hes laid down the foundation, the only change I would suggest is that we begin the voting process by submitting a Top5 Ballot and beginning the 1 by 1 process from that starting point. Most of us have an idea of the first 5 players we plan on voting for anyways.

    Totally up to you guys tho

    So which methodology would you guys rather utilize? Straightforward Player by player voting that works for either system or if we go by positions to start, a scoring ballot where everyone submits their Top-15 at each position?
  10. Regarding the GOAT Project;

    Corey is looking into finding the proper discussion location for this topic so in the mean time until he gets the go ahead Im coming to you individually to get your opinion on how the voting process should work.

    First and foremost, the method:Positional Rankings vs Overall?

    -----If we go by positions then it allows for a narrower/simpler starting point with more clearly defined expectations and analysis. The only con here is there may be difficult players to pigeonhole into a position, also the process drags on a little longer as it applies the logic Mile High Champ used in his Annual Rankings, which depending on the size of the committe could be a good/bad thing.

    -----Going by overall is and to the point, sounds simpler and in many ways it is but the lack of complexity allows for a broader range of candidates along with the possibility of contradictory logic. For example, the group at large could agree that PlayerA and PlayerB are > PlayerC, but if that group of individuals were split on voting for Player A or B they could potentially lose out to Player C despite the group at large unwilling to back the notion.


    Aside from that comes the eligibility of current superstars; we can either set up a strict cutoff in terms of years served or simply rank players by where they would fare had their careers ended today, which given the climate may not be much of a stretch.


    2 issues, thoughts?
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