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PHX-SOXFAN
06-17-2009, 12:20 PM
Finally some progress from this administration to counter the discrimination that gay americans are exposed to:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/06/17/20090617ObamaGayBenefits17-ON.html

Hopefully this is just the beginning.:clap:

jrice9
06-17-2009, 01:08 PM
While I like Obama, he really hasnt done much for gays. He defends the defense of marriage act and opposes gay marriage. Maybe this is the start or more likely its him trying to be politcally correct with everyone

Doc Fluty
06-17-2009, 01:23 PM
ya.. he extends benefits... but NOT medical beneifits...

as usual... he says one thing... then does another


With the administration’s decision to stop short of extending full health insurance benefits or calling for legislation to do so, it remained an open question how significant the presidential announcement would be, Mr. Socarides said.

But administration officials said the timing of the announcement was intended to help contain the growing furor among gay rights groups. Several gay donors withdrew their sponsorship of a Democratic National Committee fund-raising event next week, where Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. is scheduled to speak

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/17/us/politics/17gays.html?_r=1

ari1013
06-17-2009, 09:41 PM
ya.. he extends benefits... but NOT medical beneifits...

as usual... he says one thing... then does another



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/17/us/politics/17gays.html?_r=1
Agreed. That is definitely lame.

PHX-SOXFAN
06-17-2009, 09:53 PM
ya.. he extends benefits... but NOT medical beneifits...

as usual... he says one thing... then does another



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/17/us/politics/17gays.html?_r=1

he can't grant the medical benefits on his own. Congress has to act.

behindmydesk
06-17-2009, 09:55 PM
he can't grant the medical benefits on his own. Congress has to act.

I have no clue about this. Why can he do one benefit without congress, and needs congress for the medical?

behindmydesk
06-17-2009, 10:01 PM
This is the problem with not allowing gay marriage (Even though I used to not support it, but hey I changed!)

The gay population wants rights, like medical and other coverage, but that can get real expensive, especially if you extend it to non married couples.

If we allowed gay marriage, and thus made benefits only to married couples, coupled with the same divorce laws (how long it takes to get divorced) the problem seems pretty well solved to me. All sides are equal, the government doens't have to worry about sham benefits to non married couples, and married couples, well get to have the benefits of being married (as long as gay couples act like straight couples, IE hate each others in laws, fight over trival things, and ***** about stupid things, cheat on each other, and comment on how much better they are then their friends)

cabernetluver
06-17-2009, 10:20 PM
ya.. he extends benefits... but NOT medical beneifits...

as usual... he says one thing... then does another



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/17/us/politics/17gays.html?_r=1

DOMA specifically stops him from extending medical benefits. Not a fair criticism.

behindmydesk
06-17-2009, 10:24 PM
DOMA specifically stops him from extending medical benefits. Not a fair criticism.

Explain more if you can, because I have not heard of this. Same thing I asked of PHX, but I think he signed off prior to seeing it. Odd that the president can do one, and can't do the other.

ari1013
06-18-2009, 02:22 AM
DOMA specifically stops him from extending medical benefits. Not a fair criticism.
Couldn't he pass an executive order that circumvents it?

cabernetluver
06-18-2009, 09:42 AM
Couldn't he pass an executive order that circumvents it?

He did to the degree he could. The law is pretty specific. Until DOMA is changed, there is a group of people who cannot get the same benefits. Sad that such a law exists that says some people are more equal than others.

Randy West
06-18-2009, 11:32 AM
He passes a law

Then says he still believes marriage is between a man and a woman

Kind of a tough situation to be stuck in if you ask me.

Any polls out there that show how the country as a whole feel about the issue.......instead of on a state by state basis?

IBleedPurple
06-18-2009, 11:49 AM
he can't grant the medical benefits on his own. Congress has to act.


He did to the degree he could. The law is pretty specific. Until DOMA is changed, there is a group of people who cannot get the same benefits. Sad that such a law exists that says some people are more equal than others.

Agreed. It is a very tricky situation. While some think the President can just draw up new laws on a whim, be thankful that isn't the case. Past administrations would've ruined the country by now.

Doc Fluty
06-18-2009, 01:23 PM
Ive heard some people are against giving gay couples medical coverage because they don't want to pay for their vaginaplasties or peniplasties... (lol)... I'm sure the psychiatry cost (will be deemed needed) and sex change operations will be paid for with tax payer money just like in San Fransisco.


San Francisco on Monday became the only city in the nation to pay for its employees to receive sex changes, after the Board of Supervisors narrowly passed the measure. -2001

http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2001-05-01/article/4630?headline=Sex-change-benefits-approved-in-San-Francisco

but seriouly... how can he dole out billions, repeal laws set by bush and grant most benifits... but he CANT give Federal benefits?

something tells me if he REALLY WANTED TOO... he could... but I'm not sure how much he really wants too

LetsGoA's
06-18-2009, 03:01 PM
This is just terrible, I'm really starting to get annoyed with this two faced president of ours.

ari1013
06-18-2009, 03:13 PM
He passes a law

Then says he still believes marriage is between a man and a woman

Kind of a tough situation to be stuck in if you ask me.

Any polls out there that show how the country as a whole feel about the issue.......instead of on a state by state basis?

Since it's not part of the Constitution, it is a state issue... with that said:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/gay-rights-are-popular-in-many.html

Enjoy.

IBleedPurple
06-18-2009, 03:15 PM
If a President could make up any laws/rules he wanted, Bush would have us in 15 wars, make proper spelling & grammar unimportant, pollute the Earth to no end, and dwindle this country downwards through idiotic decisions. Be happy there is a system in place to prevent that.

Doc Fluty
06-18-2009, 04:57 PM
there is a system where a president can make up any laws/rules he wants.. however that is usually held in check by the legislative and judicial branches... however with a supportive cast of charactors (including media, political, hollywood and elite friends)... "that one" gets to enact many new regulations without even asking congress

IBleedPurple
06-18-2009, 05:05 PM
^Very true. I think it is safe to say it'll be an interesting summer

Randy West
06-18-2009, 05:35 PM
Since it's not part of the Constitution, it is a state issue... with that said:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/gay-rights-are-popular-in-many.html

Enjoy.

Wait.........is that a connect the dots puzzle or what

Thanks for the link Ari