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cabernetluver
06-01-2009, 11:51 AM
AP story (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31028874/)


Already? Iowa presidential campaigning is back
Activists say it's not too early to start, especially for Republicans
The Associated Press
updated 12:15 p.m. PT, Sun., May 31, 2009
DES MOINES, Iowa - It's been six months since voters handed Barack Obama the White House, and in the minds of a lot of Iowa activists that means only one thing: It's time to start the campaign again.

2012 already?



Potential Republican candidates who have visited the state include Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who won the GOP caucuses in 2008. More politicians have trips planned, starting with Nevada Sen. John Ensign on Monday, followed by Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour and another appearance by Huckabee.


It goes on, but I just wonder, Iowa, are you ready?

SmthBluCitrus
06-01-2009, 12:17 PM
We sure are. :D

LAKERMANIA
06-01-2009, 02:46 PM
For now, I know its too early, but assuming he doesn't **** it up big time, I think Jindal's got this in the bag..

cabernetluver
06-01-2009, 02:50 PM
For now, I know its too early, but assuming he doesn't **** it up big time, I think Jindal's got this in the bag..

Why?

Don't take this as a challenge, it is a real question.

Zep
06-01-2009, 02:54 PM
I read the title of this thread in much the same way "Can you DIG ITTTTT" was said by Cyrus in The Warriors......I suppose this means I'm still watching far too much media.

Zep
06-01-2009, 02:56 PM
Why?

Don't take this as a challenge, it is a real question.

How could you possibly resist his smile?

http://redstatebluestate.mlblogs.com/bobby%20jindal.jpg

I know I can't http://209.85.62.26/html/emoticons/wub.gif

SmthBluCitrus
06-01-2009, 03:37 PM
For now, I know its too early, but assuming he doesn't **** it up big time, I think Jindal's got this in the bag..

You think so?

I'm thinking that Mitt Romney is the clear front runner.

b1e9a8r5s
06-01-2009, 04:28 PM
You think so?

I'm thinking that Mitt Romney is the clear front runner.

I tend to agree. Romney knows the economy and at his age, he doesn't have the luxuary of waiting for 2016 if Obama looks strong for re-election. I don't think Jindal will risk running in 2012 if Obama's re-election looks to be a sure thing.

dbroncos78087
06-01-2009, 04:36 PM
Do presidential campaigns ever end? Obama is probably still working for the 2012 election. But regardless it doesnt matter. One month after the election the world will come to an end.

SmthBluCitrus
06-01-2009, 06:07 PM
Do presidential campaigns ever end? Obama is probably still working for the 2012 election. But regardless it doesnt matter. One month after the election the world will come to an end.

Not really. There's always somebody with the aspiration to be POTUS. It's kind of the same in the House, too -- because your up for re-election every two years, so it's one continuous campaign. The Senate isn't as bad; six year terms and all.

But yea, presidential campaigns never really end. Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal ... they all had field staff in Iowa shortly after the election.

blenderboy5
06-01-2009, 08:31 PM
I'd say Mitt's the clear front runner. And if McCain hadn't lied and smeared and pretended to be conservative, he would have been our nominee (not saying the results would have been different necessarily).

Mitt's got the presidential swagger, the money, the socially liberal appeal he should play up in the election (mostly workable health care system, for one). He has the appeal of not being socialist as well.

cabernetluver
06-01-2009, 08:37 PM
My view is irrelevant to the process, because none of the people that have been mentioned would win my vote. I started the thread just because I was amazed how long the process was.

My view is that it is so way to far in advance for me to have any idea who will make it, but I am really interested in the who and why. Thanks

dbroncos78087
06-01-2009, 09:36 PM
I'd say Mitt's the clear front runner. And if McCain hadn't lied and smeared and pretended to be conservative, he would have been our nominee (not saying the results would have been different necessarily).

Mitt's got the presidential swagger, the money, the socially liberal appeal he should play up in the election (mostly workable health care system, for one). He has the appeal of not being socialist as well.

I would sincerely consider voting for Romney. Obviously i would have to look into him deeper if he were to be the final candidate but from what i have seen he seems like an honest person who would be a good president.

behindmydesk
06-01-2009, 10:16 PM
One thing that was pecular, for someone who said he wasn't going to run. Mitch Daniels the governor from Indiana gave the national GOP response against Global Warming and cap and trade. I still am not counting him out as a viable candidate.

Hawkize31
06-02-2009, 01:12 AM
Yeah we Iowans are ready. For 2012. For the general election. When we vote for Obama again.

Republicans can have their handshakes and their diner visits and their cornfield speeches and their publicity. Iowa has chosen a nominee already and we were the first state to take a real step towards putting him into the White House.

Actually, I am toying with registering republican to try to help keep a losing candidate in the race, since I am so mad Rush told republicans to do that after McCain won the primary in 08. But I really can't convince myself its not wrong. Its cheating so I won't do it, but man, I want to so bad.

Unless Palin looks like she will win. If that seems likely, I have a responsibility as an American to hinder her progress as much as possible.

dbroncos78087
06-02-2009, 09:12 AM
Actually, I am toying with registering republican to try to help keep a losing candidate in the race, since I am so mad Rush told republicans to do that after McCain won the primary in 08. But I really can't convince myself its not wrong. Its cheating so I won't do it, but man, I want to so bad.

Unless Palin looks like she will win. If that seems likely, I have a responsibility as an American to hinder her progress as much as possible.

I would hope you wouldnt do that. Trying to sabotage a political party is never good. We want to have two good candidates, i realize it may be idealist, to decide between based on their policies not their first initial (R or D).

SmthBluCitrus
06-02-2009, 10:22 AM
I would hope you wouldnt do that. Trying to sabotage a political party is never good. We want to have two good candidates, i realize it may be idealist, to decide between based on their policies not their first initial (R or D).

It's not really sabotage though; it's democracy in action. If you're against Candidate X then you vote for Candidate Y to keep X from winning. It's just a step in the process.

I would have zero problem voting for a moderate Republican in the 2012 Caucus in order to ensure somebody like Sarah Palin doesn't win Iowa delegates. Why would that not be fair? Because, obviously, I'd like to see the two best candidates (in my mind) go up against each other.

We'll see how it plays out. If Huckabee runs again there's a good shot he takes this state -- Western Iowa will vote for him in droves and everybody else just thinks he's so nice and so truthful; but that part of the state will not vote for Romney. But, at this point, I still see Romney as the candidate to beat.

ari1013
06-02-2009, 01:53 PM
Iowa doesn't seem like the type of place that would vote for a serial liar. Palin and Romney are both in trouble out there.

SmthBluCitrus
06-02-2009, 02:04 PM
Yea, I don't think we'll see a Palin victory out of this state. Then again, she could win that "I could drink a beer and shoot a moose" vote.

DenButsu
06-03-2009, 12:37 AM
Iowa doesn't seem like the type of place that would vote for a serial liar.

Aw, man, does that take Gingrich out of contention, too? I so want it to be him.

DenButsu
06-03-2009, 02:17 AM
Poll: No Immediate Republican Frontrunner For 2012
By Eric Kleefeld - June 2, 2009, 4:11PM

A new CNN poll (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/02/cnn-poll-no-frontrunner-in-gop-2012-presidential-race/) finds that there is no immediate frontrunner for the Republican nomination in 2012. Here are the numbers, with a 4.5% margin of error among GOP respondents:


Mike Huckabee 22%
Sarah Palin 21%
Mitt Romney 21%
Newt Gingrich 13%
Jeb Bush 6%
Someone else (volunteered answer) 10%

At this point there really doesn't need to be an immediate Republican frontrunner. It's even quite plausible that the lack of a current leading candidate could have its own mix of pluses and minuses.
TPMDC (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/poll-no-immediate-republican-frontrunner-for-2012.php)

SmthBluCitrus
06-03-2009, 08:51 AM
National Polls don't mean much at this stage -- well, no polls mean much at this stage. But, it's true. There is no "real" front runner for the GOP right now.

But, I would imagine the GOP nominee will come from those top three.

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On a side note:

Tim Pawlenty has announced that he will not be seeking a third term as governor of Minnesota. Watch him set up a full time residence in Iowa in the not-to-distant future. I think he has a good shot at creating his own momentum and carrying it through to a nomination/Veep-ship. I really see him as a player/spoiler.


Minnesota Governor Pawlenty says won't seek third term

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Republican Tim Pawlenty said on Tuesday he would not seek a third term as Minnesota's governor but deflected questions about whether he would run for U.S. president in 2012.

"I'm not ruling anything in or out," the 48-year-old Pawlenty told reporters in Minnesota, adding he planned to offer his party new ideas.

"I have 19 months left in my term -- this is not a wake," Pawlenty said, joking that he planned to tend to his lawn.

Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE55177J20090603)

behindmydesk
06-03-2009, 09:09 AM
Point Smooth. I said Pawlenty would def run, and would win as Governor. She said he probably wouldn't run and def wouldnt' win. So point goes to you

SmthBluCitrus
06-03-2009, 09:39 AM
Point Smooth. I said Pawlenty would def run, and would win as Governor. She said he probably wouldn't run and def wouldnt' win. So point goes to you

Haha - yay! Nine more and I can trade them in for a prize. :clap:

crzysportsfan33
06-03-2009, 12:00 PM
I think Romney is probably going to get the nomination. He just like the right guy at the right time for the republicans or should i say the best man because there really aren't any good candidates for the Republicans. I do believe though that Huckabee will win the Iowa caucus and ovrall have a very good showing. Im hoping for a Romney/Huckabee ticket since I feel it would be the strongest one for the ticket.

On a sidenote Palin right now as the Gov. of Alaska won't get the nomination. The only hope Palin has is to win a Senate seat and make a name for herself in Washington and once and for all prove she isn't the dope she was portrayed to be by the media and that she isn't a radical

PHX-SOXFAN
06-03-2009, 12:14 PM
I saw Pat Buchanan weighing in on this issue last night. He believes that Palin would win Iowa big right now. I hope she is the nominee.:D

SmthBluCitrus
06-03-2009, 12:16 PM
I can't see a Mitt-Huck ticket. Not at all. Sure, it has the chance to be strong. Huck might be able to consolidate some of the theo-con vote that Mitt sorely lacks (Baptists don't like Mormons at all), but the odds of that ticket being able to function, let alone get together, is slim-to-none.

I just don't think Huckabee holds enough political sway to force his way onto the ticket, either.

I thought it would have happened last year, but I think Tim Pawlenty is going to be the Veep choice no matter who leads the ticket (unless, of course, T-Paw wins the nomination on his own).

SmthBluCitrus
06-03-2009, 12:17 PM
I saw Pat Buchanan weiging in on this issue last night. He believes that Palin would win Iowa big right now. I hope she is the nominee.:D

Pat Buchanan usually doesn't know what he's talking about. Sarah Palin would not only not win Iowa big, I don't think she'd win Iowa period.

She'd place second, tops. But, probably fourth.

Randy West
06-03-2009, 12:18 PM
Palin as President???

I mean how desperate does a country have to get to even nominate such a twit??

SmthBluCitrus
06-03-2009, 12:31 PM
:laugh2:

I love it.

Doc Fluty
06-03-2009, 01:31 PM
i hope jeb bush doesnt try to make to much noise... that would be to easy a foe for the obama machine

cabernetluver
06-03-2009, 02:02 PM
i hope jeb bush doesnt try to make to much noise... that would be to easy a foe for the obama machine

I don't think you have much to worry about until at least 2016. The Bush name is less than gold for the next few years in national politics.